No chance, read my post above.Originally Posted by sparten
Lets see rebels in the east, Maoists etc, etc.Originally Posted by smilingassassin
"Any relations in a social order will endure if there is infused into them some of that spirit of human sympathy, which qualifies life for immortality." ~ George William Russell
No chance, read my post above.Originally Posted by sparten
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Cheers!...on the rocks!!
Unlike the jehadi pigs, rebels from the east never target anycity outside of their area, and Maoists dont have access to the bombs that blasted in Mumbai, unless Pakistan supplied it to them. Even Maoists are local, all their attacks have a pattern. Show me one other attack by these guys in any part of India in this fashion.Originally Posted by sparten
So, dont kid yourself, Sparten.
A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!
Total ignorance.Originally Posted by sparten
The rebels from the east, other than the likes of ULFA and the NDFB do not indulge in wanton indiscriminate terrorism. There is nothing to gain anyway. The animosity is with the government of india and its representatives-not the people of India. Think logically. Not every insurgency thinks and operates on the Jihadi modus operandi.
So would be the case with the Maoists.
What a lame and tepid attempt at passing the buck
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them."
u better look at the news, the terrorists were islamic , do u ever check the news?Originally Posted by sparten
this is the reason why i think it was an islamic terrorist fed by pakistan who did it
they only wanted to kill HINDUS like the blasts of 1993 where they blasted the bombs in bombay on friday at noon, so that no muslim would be on the roads at the time(they are in mosque for their friday prayers)the point to note is that the blasts occured only on Western Railway and not on Central or Harbour line Railways?
Western railway goes through mostly Hindu parts of Mumbai barring Bandra East and Mahim West and East. Also, the stations chosen are where many affluent folks like stock brokers, traders and high net worth individuals stay. Majority are from the Gujrati and Sindhi community. And all these folks, whether very rich or not, usually travel by first class to reach South Mumbai for their daily business.(and the blasts occured in first class compartments)
On the Central and Harbour line side, there are more Muslims (Mumbra, Kalwa, etc).
Look at the stations in the suburbs where it occured.
1) Matunga - Mainly South Indian community and Maharashtrians
2) Mahim - Muslims but mostly all of them have business within Mahim. Only folks travelling are mainly Maharashtrians working in South Mumbai
3) Khar - Mainly Sindhi, Punjabi and some Gujarati community
4) Santacruz - Gujarati and Maharashtrian
5) Jogeshwari - Mainly Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtrian and Gujrati
6) Borivali - Gujarati and Maharahstrians almost equally.
7) Bhayander - Working class Maharashtrians, Uttar Pradesh and some Gujratis.
P.S: South India,Maharastra,Sindhi,Punjab,Gujarathi,Uttarprad esh are various parts of INDIA and are mostly HINDU
these terrorists are against ALL Indians... this is just BS... like that conspiracy about the Jews on 9/11...Originally Posted by raj
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so you mean blasting bombs in first class compartments(in stations mostly used by HINDUS of business community) and blasting the bombs at noon on friday dont say any thing?????????Originally Posted by Tronic
ok, well then, from my point of view... such actions are clearly meant to cause friction between the muslims and non-muslims of India... so dont fall for their dirty tricks... muslims in India are INDIANS as far as I see.. no different then you and I...
The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new lands but seeing with new eyes.
Attaboy. Osama WANTS us to strike at ALL Muslims, and make it what he's always said it was: Us against Them. Don't take the bait.Originally Posted by Tronic
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
did i say anything against muslims of INDIA, i only said the bombs are planted to kill as many HIDNUS as possibleOriginally Posted by Tronic
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sorry... but when you say, "Hindus" you classify between the victims.. I mean, what are you trying to prove??? as far as I see it, it was an attack against India, Hindu or not... are you trying to get some sympathy for a certain religion or something???Originally Posted by raj
The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new lands but seeing with new eyes.
i am just adding 1+1 and saying its 2.Originally Posted by Tronic
P.S: 70% of its finances came from MUMBAI itself
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In fact, Mumbai had never disappeared from the SIMI’s terror radar. After lying low for a year, it relocated in Mumbai with the help of its large bank of sympathisers. The diaries of its finance secretary Imran Ansari showed that 70 per cent of its finances came from Mumbai. Sympathisers even had put SIMI on the payment list of trusts based in Saudi Arabia and UK, funding the Muslim cause worldwide.
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It all began on a cold January night
HAIDAR Naqvi
Kanpur, July 12
January 29, Kanpur Central: Two men step out from the train into the cold. A lone man waits near a bookstore on the platform. Smiles are exchanged and a bundle wrapped in newspapers changes hands. In a flash, the duo is back on board the Kushi Nagar Express. Their visitor has melted into the night. Forty hours later, the train chugs into Lok Manya Tilak Railway Terminus. A team from the Mumbai Crime Branch is waiting. The duo is caught and the packet seized.
Sleuths unravelling the plot of Tuesday's serial blasts on Mumbai's lifeline invariably go back to the events of those 48 hours and the consignment it brought to the country's financial capital--- C4 explosive, better known as RDX.
This was the first time the law enforcers had come across such a high-grade explosive from militants. The arrested duo was Mushiruddin Siddiqui and his Nepali chum Mansoor Ansari.
In months to come, the seizure was followed by other operations, which climaxed in one of biggest hauls of RDX in May ---- the seizures in Aurangabad, Manmad, Malegaon and Nasik. Twelve people were arrested with 50 kilos of RDX, 3,000 rounds of ammunition, 60 hand grenades and 15 AK guns.
All were Ummas, former cadre of the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) ---- a clear signal of SIMI's resurgence not only in Maharashtra but in five other states.
Mushiruddin, a resident of Thane district, was the key player in the serial blasts in BEST buses and Mansoor was a new entrant in the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba structure. After his name cropped up, Mushiruddin slipped out of Mumbai and stayed in Kanpur for seven months. He rented a house first in Hitkari Nagar and then moved to Roshan Nagar. His house, say intelligence sources, was used for stockpiling explosives as it was near to IIT Kanpur --- one of the targets of the Lashkar terror machine. The IIT administration even received a warning e-mail on January 23. The plan to attack the tech institute, however, was abandoned.
The focus and explosives were shifted to the familiar territory ---Mumbai.
In fact, Mumbai had never disappeared from the SIMI’s terror radar. After lying low for a year, it relocated in Mumbai with the help of its large bank of sympathisers. The diaries of its finance secretary Imran Ansari showed that 70 per cent of its finances came from Mumbai. Sympathisers even had put SIMI on the payment list of trusts based in Saudi Arabia and UK, funding the Muslim cause worldwide.
The SIMI, in turn, cast a wide terror net. It harboured militants, became the stepping ground for LeT and Hizbul Mujahideen and provided them back-up.
After the IISc attack in Bangalore, the flow of consignment to Mumbai got heavier, Mushiruddin told interrogators. The explosives carried by sleeping agents were stock piled in pockets near the city so that the consignment could be relocated at any given point of time.
For seven months, they bided their time. Until Tuesday.
Jihadis do have a visceral hatred for Hindus. They are the dirty unclean "other". Take a look at all the propoganda that flows out of Pakistan.Originally Posted by Tronic
Its the same old same old "upper caste Brahmins" lording it over oppressed minorities.
So its entirely plausible that the attack was directed to cause maximum casualties amongst a particular community, and then of course spark a communal response (riots).
The attack on Ayodhya, Sankat Mochan at Varanasi, the attacks on the Amarnath Yatra and of course, Akhshardham. All religious places for the Hindu community.
So whilst Raj may not have explained it well- what he says is logical and of course, the history of the subcontinent has its own "flavour".
Note that apart from the Pakistanis, other Muslims are often unaware in depth of Hindus and dont have a visceral hatrde of them (as they have for jews)- eg in the Middle East, in te 70's and 80's- many Egyptian and Palestinian people would be friendly to India because of its NAM history but also not be scandalized or angered that people were Hindus. Of course, thats changing with the current Islamist wave in the ME. But their dislike of jews was all pervasive because of their "local" history over the Palestine conflict, apart from the stray comments in the Quran etc.
Similarly, for Pakistan- its heroes - Ghauri, Ghaznavi etc railed against the "upper caste Hindus"- the priests who defended their culture and the Kshatriyas who fought. That process continued & its illustrative to note that in Asia, India is the only place where the Islamic wave faltered and did not succeed, despite the widespread brutality of the Moghuls, Sultans who tried their level best to convert by taxation (jaziya) and the sword.
This because, unlike the Buddhists who died in droves and converted- there was an active resistance in India from the "varnas" who stuck to their defined duty- namely, the priests who acted as guardians of religious rituals and customs & the kshatriyas who constantly fought back.
So the enmity between Islamists who id'ed the "upper caste Hindu" as their proverbial enemy and an opponent of Islam.
So that visceral loathing remains. The worst enemy for a true blue jihadi is the infidel idol worshipping Hindu. Take a look at what Hamid Gul says for instance.
The propoganda against Sikhs was no better- all the historical enmity over Ranjit Singhs empire lording it over the region which is todays Pak, but it was toned down in order to push for the Khalistani movement. So now of course, the original enemies remain.
Also note that the SIMI types who bombed the trains, apparently one attacked a train station because its architecture reminded him of a Hindu temple.![]()
Last edited by Archer; 13 Jul 06, at 23:39.
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actually... the Islamic wave didn't entirely faulter as you say... that is the reason that today we have Pakistan...![]()
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