Cruise Control- Brahmos Missile

**Samudra** · 23 Sep 05,, 06:34

There is a reason why I'm going to celebrate if US offers Aegis.

You either launch a Brahmos from land,ship or sub.
Given the fact that a Brahmos can do a maximum of 300KM , do you think USN carriers are going to venture that close to the coast ? No.They usually dont.

If you are launching them from ships,you need to keep your fleet safe from the USN aircrafts launched from the carriers.How are you gonna do that ? Remember you need to be within 300KMs from carrier to shoot at it.

Hmm, we dont have any IN sub armed with Brahmos yet...looks like IN is firming up its plans with Klub....

Air Launched Brahmos anybody ?

IMHO, the most important issue is to get within optimal range.Surface combatants and coastal batteries are not getting a chance.

Besides a couple of Brahmos aint gonna sink the damn thing.

**indianguy4u** · 23 Sep 05,, 10:57

For air launch, i think if we get some tu22m backfire, it can carry quite a few of them. Good for long range overland/sea threat

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tu-22m backfire bomber

Tu-22M BACKFIRE (TUPOLEV)
The BACKFIRE is a long-range aircraft capable of performing nuclear and conventional attack, anti-ship, and reconnaissance missions. Its low-level penetration features make it a much more survivable system than its predecessors. Carrying either bombs or AS-4/KITCHEN air-to-surface missiles, it is a versatile strike aircraft, believed to be intended for theater attack in Europe and Asia but also potentially capable of intercontinental missions against the United States. The BACKFIRE can be equipped with probes to permit in-flight refueling, which would further increase its range and flexibility.

During the 1980s Backfires were used for conventional bombing raids in Afghanistan, particularly during the last year of direct Soviet involvement. By 1991 it was reported that, due to a shortage of spare parts, some Backfire units had mission-capable rates of 30-40%. During the 1990s many Backfires were transferred from Long Range Aviation forces to Russian naval units in north Russia. However, by the late 1990s, at least 125 were in service with Long-Range Aviation and another 47 were in service with in Naval Aviation.

After designing the TU-22, the Tupolev design bureau started working on a new bomber that was based on the TU-22. Initially Tupolev considered modifying the TU-22 by changing the angle of the swept wings and equipping it with more powerful engines. However after developing the design "106" and various analyses, the design did not meet the flight characteristic requirements. Tupolev also developed the design "125". The aircraft was supposed have two VK-6 engines, a range of 4500-4800 km and an operating speed of up to 2500 km/h. The design provided for the use of titanium alloys and advanced electronic systems.

In 1962, the "125" design was examined by the Government but rejected in favor of the T-4 aircraft designed by KB Sukhoi. As an alternative to the T-4 aircraft, KB Tupolev developed the "145" airplane which was a modification of the TU-22. This airplane represented a multi-mode supersonic bomber which was capable of flying at subsonic speed at small altitudes and at supersonic speed to overcome air defenses. The range at subsonic speed was supposed to be 6000-7000 km. The wings are swept-back and had a variable geometry to meet the speed and range requirements. The aircraft should carry Kh-22 air-to-surface missiles which had already been deployed on other aircraft. After activities on the T-4 bombers were halted, KB Tupolev was officially charged with building the "145" aircraft in 1967. The new bomber was intended to have a maximum speed of 2300 km/h and a range of 7000 km without refueling.

It received the designation TU-22M. Some sources suggest the "deception" was internal, because this made it easier to get budgets approved. According to some sources, the Backfire-B/C production variants were believed to be designated Tu-26 by Russia, although this is disputed by many sources. At Tupolev the aircraft was designated the AM.

Many of the development steps in manufacturing the AM were unique in their time. Special attention was given to the construction of the variable sweep wing - the basis of the whole project. The mid-mounted wings are variable, swept-back, and tapered with curved tips and a wide wing root. Two turbofan engines are mounted in the body, with large rectangular air intakes and dual exhausts. The fuselage is long and slender with a solid, pointed nose and stepped cockpit. The body is rectangular from the air intakes to the exhausts. The tail fin is swept-back and tapered with a square tip. The flats are mid-mounted on the body, swept-back, and tapered with blunt tips. The wing consists of a center section and two outer panels that have five fixed positions with respect to the leading edge sweep. The two-spar centre section has a rear web and bearing skin panel. The outer wings are secured to the centre section with the aid of hinged joints. The high-lift devices include three-section slats and double-slotted flaps on the outer wings (extension angle: 23~ for takeoff and 40~ for landing) and a tilting flap on the centre section.

**Garry** · 23 Sep 05,, 19:21

Originally Posted by Samudra

There is a reason why I'm going to celebrate if US offers Aegis.

You either launch a Brahmos from land,ship or sub.
Given the fact that a Brahmos can do a maximum of 300KM , do you think USN carriers are going to venture that close to the coast ? No.They usually dont.

If you are launching them from ships,you need to keep your fleet safe from the USN aircrafts launched from the carriers.How are you gonna do that ? Remember you need to be within 300KMs from carrier to shoot at it.

Hmm, we dont have any IN sub armed with Brahmos yet...looks like IN is firming up its plans with Klub....

Air Launched Brahmos anybody ?

IMHO, the most important issue is to get within optimal range.Surface combatants and coastal batteries are not getting a chance.

Besides a couple of Brahmos aint gonna sink the damn thing.

I guess you use your land based fighters and cover your ships from the air.... in addition to that you bring your mobile long range SAMs on the shore and they add density to your ship's own defense systems. Look if your ships stay 150-200km from your shore in Indian Ocean, they they are covered by a number of aircraft from land bases and few long range SAM sites like S-300PMU.... in addition to that you may send A-50 to detect any possilbe attack..... hence enemy will not be able to come closer than 600 km to the shore. Keeping enemy that far is enough to defend your land.....

**Bill** · 23 Sep 05,, 20:11

"I guess you use your land based fighters and cover your ships from the air.... in addition to that you bring your mobile long range SAMs on the shore and they add density to your ship's own defense systems. Look if your ships stay 150-200km from your shore in Indian Ocean, they they are covered by a number of aircraft from land bases and few long range SAM sites like S-300PMU.... in addition to that you may send A-50 to detect any possilbe attack..... hence enemy will not be able to come closer than 600 km to the shore. Keeping enemy that far is enough to defend your land....."

I highly doubt any of those defensive measures would impress a USN SSN very much.

**tphuang** · 25 Sep 05,, 00:16

Originally Posted by indianguy4u

For air launch, i think if we get some tu22m backfire, it can carry quite a few of them. Good for long range overland/sea threat

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tu-22m backfire bomber

i thought you guys already have some backfires.

**~~Sameer~~** · 25 Sep 05,, 00:21

Originally Posted by tphuang

i thought you guys already have some backfires.

No I do not think so, the IN was not too impressed with the lease conditions.

**Bill** · 25 Sep 05,, 00:41

Actually i'd thought india got some of them too.

Hmmm.

**Samudra** · 25 Sep 05,, 04:14

in addition to that you may send A-50 to detect any possilbe attack.....

The Russians brought two A-50s to show us the stuff sometime back.The IAF was not impressed with A-50.We had far better options - The Phalcon.

**Bill** · 25 Sep 05,, 05:06

The Phalcon is a damned fine little AEW bird.

**~~Sameer~~** · 26 Sep 05,, 01:25

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Actually i'd thought india got some of them too.

Hmmm.

The carrier and sub deal took priority. Also the next gen destroyers and frigates.

I dont think the TU-22M deal will ever be realized now. Me thinks India will stick with what it has, buy a few more helis and get some Orions.

**bull** · 27 Sep 05,, 10:37

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Here's another one....Russian cars crap. American cars much better.

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**bull** · 27 Sep 05,, 10:42

Originally Posted by Sameer

The carrier and sub deal took priority. Also the next gen destroyers and frigates.

I dont think the TU-22M deal will ever be realized now. Me thinks India will stick with what it has, buy a few more helis and get some Orions.

wasnt Tu 22 filled with problems and still continue to suffer some problems

**~~Sameer~~** · 27 Sep 05,, 18:33

Originally Posted by bull

wasnt Tu 22 filled with problems and still continue to suffer some problems

I once read that the IN was not too happy with its avionics suite.

**killer** · 24 Oct 05,, 12:19

Originally Posted by Sameer

Cruise Control
India Today

A naval helicopter clattering above the Arabian Sea has just picked up the target, a hostile warship off the Indian coast. It transmits the location to the destroyer INS Rajput over 100 km away. With a deafening roar, a missile blasts off the deck of the warship and streaks across the sea at nearly thrice the speed of sound. Dropping down to a few meters above the waves it sniffs its quarry using onboard radar. When the nine-meter long, three-ton missile hits the tar get, it sets off a 200-kg warhead, cleaving It and sending both halves to the seabed. It has taken the BrahMos the world’s fastest supersonic cruise missile, a little less than five minutes to seek and smash its target.

When bewildered naval brass and scientists later overflow the scene in a helicopter there was only flotsam. It was like arriving at the aftermath of a battle,” recalls Dr A. Sivathanu Pillai, chief executive officer and managing director of the BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited (BAPL).

The 10th and final test of the missile last fortnight, the first of a combat prototype (with a live warhead) heralded the formal induction of the missile less than four years after its first trial. It marks a quantum leap for the armed forces which are acquiring a formidable force multiplier. Cruise missiles are like kamikaze aircraft which are piloted by an onboard computer using pre-fed co-ordinates and guided by satellites. Unlike ballistic missiles which exit the atmosphere vertically and re-enter to free fall on their targets, cruise missiles follow a flat trajectory and “cruise” on their own power to the target.

While ballistic missiles like Prithvi and Agni are like hammers, the BrahMos is like a surgeon’s scalpel. Deadly accurate—officials boast it can fly into a football goal post 300 km away— it can be used to mount high speed precision strikes against an array of surface targets ranging from warships to bunkers, airfields, command posts and infrastructure facilities.

Because the BrahMos is a universal missile—it can be launched from multi dimensional platforms like aircraft, warships, submarines, trucks and land-based silos—It can be used by all three armed forces. This enables standardisation and mass production, which result not only in significant cost savings but also quality control on the missiles produced in batches.

Mass production of the missile has commenced and the company expects to supply the Indian armed forces with 1,000 missiles by 2015. BrahMos officials are cagey about revealing the cost of the missile. Defence analysts say it is roughly Rs.10 crore per missile.

The BrahMos will equip all major Indian naval warships like the three under construction Project 15A destroyers and project Project 17 frigates and will be retrofitted on one existing warship each year. “The missiles sheer speed means it can inflict heavy damage on targets and renders itself immune to known countermeasures”, says a senior naval officer. “Besides, it can replace at least three imported missile types currently being used by the navy.”

A test for the army’s variant In Pokhran last December, equipped with special image processing software to fly over land, saw the missile search and destroy a 50-cm-thick concrete bunker with pinpoint precision. Last week in Hyderabad, the army raised and began training its first core group to man the missile which it will induct by 2007. Around this time, the air force variant, lighter by one tonne, will begin trials to equip specially modified Su-3OMKI fighter-bombers which will carry up to three missiles each.

In the crowded missile menagerie, supersonic cruise missiles are extremely rare birds, a technology perfected only by Russia. (China operates the bulky Russian-supplied first generation supersonic Moskit missile). Western supersonic cruise missiles are still in the development stage—most missiles like the Harpoon and Tomahawk are powered by solid rocket fuel or turbojet engines and trundle along at subsonic speeds. The BrahMos, however, flies at the speed of a 7.62-mm rifle bullet, thanks to a liquid kerosene ramjet engine. A solid first stage or booster blasts the missile to supersonic speed and then drops off.

BUZZ ON BRAHMOS

• Flies at nearly three times the speed of sound, the speed of a rifle bullet, and has a range of 300 km.
• Nearly impossible to intercept. High kinetic energy due to speed also means missile can cause tremendous damage to target.
• The same missile with minor modifications can be used by the army, navy and air force.
• Can be fired from ships, submarines, aircraft and trucks.
At this point the second stage “rams” the air in through a nose-mounted intake and mixes it with liquid kerosene in a combustion chamber and uses the explosive mixture to fuel its supersonic flight.

The missile can hit targets 300 km away, roughly the distance between Delhi and Chandigarh, in just five minutes. Reason why its makers think it is unstoppable. “It penetrates enemy defences using brute speed,” says Pillai.

The BrahMos can trace its DNA to the fearsome P-700 Granit (granite) missile, a 550-km Cold War Soviet missile which armed the doomed submarine Kursk, almost exclusively designed to kill American aircraft carriers. When it was presented by the cash-strapped Russians in its shorter-legged, MTCR-friendly avatar as the Yakhont in the world missile market in the mid-1990s, it was seized by India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) which suggested joint funding and development. (Missile Technology Control Regime or MTCR prohibits sale of missiles with a range of over 300 km.) It emerged as the BrahMos (a composite of the Brahmaputra and Moscow rivers), a consortium jointly funded by the two countries and involving inputs from 10 Russian and 20 Indian public and private sector industries, including L&T and Godrej.

While the revolutionary kerosene ramjet propulsion system is still wholly Russian, the inertial navigation system which steers the missile, launchers and fire control systems are of Indian origin. Technology developed for the missile has helped improve the accuracy of the Prithvi and Agni missiles,

Now BAPL wants to use the missile to penetrate the West-dominated global cruise missile market. “This is the first Indian defence product with extremely bright export prospects”, says Pillai. He will not confirm this but countries like Malaysia and South Africa have shown interest in buying the missile.

Meanwhile, BAPL is contemplating a BrahMos-2, capable of flying up to Mach 8, to ensure its supersonic product retains its speed lead well into the future.

WHY NOT GIVE THE LINK. THIS IS COMPLETELY CUT AND PASTE JOB.

GO YO WWW.BRAHMOS.COM AND YOU WILL LOT OF INFORMATION. PL. GIVE LINKS TO BIG ARTICLES UNLESS YOU HAVE PERSONAL EXPRIENCE

**Garry** · 14 Feb 06,, 09:01

Read today in Russian media that India preferred IL-38 to P3C Orion. The articles says that the reasons why IL-38 was preferred were:
1. Good electronics package
2. Long delivery terms from US
3. POTENTIAL INSTALLATION OF BRAHMOS ON IL-38 IN THE NEXT UPGRADE!!!

if this happens India will get an aircraft which would target and attack autonomously at the distance of 320km.... currently it has Sea Eagle which can hit targets at 250km+ and has speed of slightly less than 1M.

Besides that Brahmos is planned for installation on Tu-142 which India uses for naval reconnaisance.... This can do much more!

Indeed Brahmos would expand Indian defense by 500km from its shores!