Instead of giving this a title for a specific topic, I just gave it a general title so other 'mysteries' can be added.
So here is a book review about the disappearance and finding of the USS Grunion...
Source: BOOK REVIEW: 'Fatal Dive' Recounts How the U.S.S. Grunion Disappeared in the Fog of World War II -- And How It Was Found | Huntington NewsBOOK REVIEW: 'Fatal Dive' Recounts How the U.S.S. Grunion Disappeared in the Fog of World War II -- And How It Was Found
Monday, July 30, 2012 - 17:35 Reviewed by David M. Kinchen
What do you do when Robert Ballard -- who headed the team that found the R.M.S.Titanic -- turns down your attempt to find a World War II U.S. submarine? If you're the sons of Commander Mannert L. "Jim" Abele of the U.S.S. Grunion, you go ahead, against all odds in some of the heaviest seas in the world and find the boat and solve the mystery of its disappearance off the Aleutian Islands of Alaska on July 31, 1942.
Balllard, a renowned oceanographer and explorer, was not alone: virtually all the experts agreed with him that the waters of the Bering Sea were too rough to use either sonar or with the aid of submersibles like those that were used in the search for the Titanic.
Timed to mark the 70th anniversary of the mystery of the Grunion, Peter F. Stevens's "Fatal Dive: Solving the World War II Mystery of the U.S.S Grunion" (Regnery History, 270 pages, bibliography, biographical appendix, index, $24.95) is the gripping account of the true story of the submarine's fate and the cover-up by the U.S. Navy of its disappearance. It's a truly inspiring book recounting the efforts of Abele's three sons to locate the Grunion and bring closure to the death of their dad, along with the other men who died. For 65 years all that the U.S. Navy would tell Catherine "Kay" Abele, who died in 1975, and her sons Brad, Bruce and John was that Jim Abele (pronounced EY-bool-ee) and his crewmen were "missing and presumed dead."
The 2006 discovery of the Grunion can be attributed to a number of fortuitous circumstances: The fortune amassed by John Abele from his co-founding of Boston Scientific Corp. -- which developed medical devices like stents and balloon catheters -- and which financed the search; the discovery of a Japanese document in a Denver antique shop; the cooperation of the Japanese Navy; the determination of an exploring protegé of Bob Ballard, and the seamanship skills of Kale Garcia, the skipper of a 165-foot commercial fishing boat called the Aquila that carried the equipment for the search.
Stevens describes the story of the search for and the miraculous discovery of the U.S.S. Grunion — as well as the U.S. Navy’s coverup of the submarine’s disappearance. After the against-all-odds discovery of the Grunion one question remained: what sank the boat? (Submariners -- pronounced "submareeners" -- call their vessels "boats" while the surface Navy uses the term "ships". One of the major producers of submarines is the Electric Boat Co. of Groton, CT, founded in 1899 and now part of General Dynamics. Electric Boat Co. built the Grunion, launched Dec.22, 1941).
In a telephone conversation from his home in Boston, Stevens told me there is no doubt that the Mark 14 torpedo system used in the Grunion was responsible for the loss of the Grunion. He said the system was the cause of the sinking of other submarines, and was replaced by the Mark 18 torpedo system -- even while the Navy continued to deny that the MK 14 one was flawed. In "Fatal Dive," Stevens names two submarine skippers who questioned the MK 14 system during World War II, to the consternation of their superiors. Whistle-blowers have never been welcomed in military bureaucracies! Before it was replaced by the MK 18, improvements were made in the MK 14 system, but it still was an iffy system. Stevens also told me there never was an official search for the Grunion.
In a page-turner of a book, Stevens finally lays to rest one of World War II’s greatest mysteries. Stevens includes brief biographies --accompanied by photographs -- of Jim Abele and the Grunion's crewmen and pays tribute to the efforts of their relatives who kept their memories alive. If you're interested in military and nautical history -- or if you're looking for an inspiring book, I can't recommend "Fatal Dive" too highly.
> From: "Kazuo Shinoda"
> Date: March 6, 2011 10:04:06 PM EST
> To: "M Brewster Abele"
> Cc: "Yutaka Iwasaki"
> Subject: Re: War Years
> The order of the events at the end of the war was wrong. Then, it corrected as following (red part).
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Brewster Abele"
> To: "Kazuo Shinoda"
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:36 AM
> Subject: War Years
> This is very good. Though our family never saw the effects of combat the other things that your family went thru were very similar to ours...
First, here is a website that mentions the sonar issue. Hydrophones, Sonar, and Other Listening Gear............
and had a family. Thanks to my mother, my brother, sister and I grew up into a respectable adults. She survived a life of extreme hardships and as of February 2011 is 100 years old. Recently her health has declined and she doesn't eat much anymore. We hope she is enjoying the tranquility while surrounded by her seven grand children and nine great grandchildren.
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heavily redacted, forgot there might be a book deal.
Rare WWII naval dispatch heads to auction block - Navy News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Navy TimesRare WWII naval dispatch heads to auction block
By Michael Rubinkam - The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday Aug 9, 2012 14:07:11 EDT
MILLVILLE, Pa. — Chief Yeomen Robert W. York knew he was clutching a piece of history as he hurried to find his boss aboard the Holland, which was trolling the Pacific days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In his possession was a dispatch from President Harry S. Truman's navy secretary, dated Aug. 15, 1945, which said: "All hands of the United States Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard may take satisfaction in the conclusion of the war against Japan."
Japan had surrendered. World War II was over. York and his mates could go home.
York kept that historic 8-inch-by-6.5-inch piece of paper in a shoebox for the next six decades. He died in February at age 91, and now his son is auctioning it off in Pennsylvania on the 67th anniversary of V-J Day, the end of the war with Japan.
"It was the most treasured of all the things he had," said Bob York, 65. "He viewed this as not being a piece of paper; he viewed this as saving his life and hundreds of thousands of other men's lives. It was like salvation."
York's father enlisted on Aug. 25, 1942, in Boston. As personal secretary of Rear Adm. Francis Denebrink, he served aboard the ill-fated Ocelot — wrecked in a typhoon — and then the Holland, a submarine tender that became the headquarters ship of Vice Adm. Charles Lockwood Jr., commander of the Pacific sub fleet.
In the summer of 1945, plans were being made for a massive invasion of Japan — a likelihood dreaded by York and his fellow crew, his son said. The atomic bombings changed that.
The Holland received word via radio. York took the message to Denebrink, who read it, handed it back to his trusted secretary and told him to keep it as a souvenir, Bob York said.
The 112-word dispatch from Navy Secretary James Forrestal asked U.S. forces to stay disciplined in the face of Japan's surrender, cautioning that demobilization "will create problems taxing patience and control almost as great as the tensions of war."
"I ask that the discipline which has served so well to bring this democracy through hours of great crisis be maintained to the end that nothing shall mar the record of accomplishment and glory that now belongs to the Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard," he wrote.
York, who has been cleaning out his parents' home in Stoneham, Mass., hopes the winning bidder will be a museum or someone with an appreciation of World War II.
"This is an important moment in American history," York said. "All these people who died, what did they die for? They died for this moment, so there would be peace. And there it is, in one piece of paper, saying it's peace. It takes my breath away."
The auction will be held in Millville on Aug. 15 and will include other World War II-era documents and photographs taken by York's father.
Auctioneer Kirk Williams said he has no idea what the military cable might bring. "It's extremely unusual to run across an item like this," he said.
Tom Czekanski, director of collections at the National World War II Museum in New Orleans, agreed it's a rare piece of World War II history.
"They are very significant because this is how people got the news that the war had ended," he said.
Another interesting story. Easier to read it at the web site. Click the linky...
CIA declassifies spy satellite
idea.. make a submarine that's a dedicated "mother ship" for underwater exploration.. of course nuclear powered, ability to control submersibles, ability to dive couple thousand feet down itself.. basically take something like the NR-1 but on steroids.. ability to host a hundred or so scientists, large moon pool etc.. I think that it would pay for itself, in not just research, but in finding wrecks that a normal ship couldn't handle.
Mind elaborating on your posts a bit... We're not mind readers, you know.USS Cyclops
The Keyhole program is/was amazing. We as a society are so accustomed to digital photography, and the ability to transmit them with no loss of data, that the notion of film cameras for such an important role seems... antique, to say the least. Yet to get the resolutions they wanted, there was no alternative to film. If I were to guess, there are probably still circumstances today whereby film would be superior to digital, especially when it comes to ultra-high resolution, and detail. I suspect today's recce birds still all use film along with digital sensors.Another interesting story. Easier to read it at the web site. Click the linky...
CIA declassifies spy satellite
The radio fax has been around since before WW2, but any sort of wireless transmission of pictures by whatever means, prior to modern digital imaging, simply isn't going to hack it.
The fact that these satellites spit out RV's carrying film, which were then snagged in mid-air by aircraft, is simply amazing. And every one of them had a very short life because they had to be orbited very low indeed. From the moment they were placed in LEO, they were banging against air molecules, and beginning to decay. Neat stuff!
MILLVILLE, Pa. – A rare military cable heralding the end of World War II has fetched more than $20,000 at auction.
The naval dispatch announced the end of hostilities with Japan. It was received aboard the USS Holland on Aug. 15, 1945, days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and was kept in a crewman's shoebox for more than 60 years.
Northeastern Pennsylvania auctioneer Kirk Williams sold the historic 8-inch-by-6.5-inch dispatch to a buyer from Nevada on Wednesday — the 67th anniversary of V-J Day. The lot included other World War II-era documents and photographs taken by Navy veteran Bob York, who died in February at age 91.
Williams said the unidentified buyer purchased the dispatch as an investment and gift for his 31-year-old daughter. The new owner might also lend it to museums, as he has other pieces in his collection, Williams said.
The 112-word dispatch from President Harry S. Truman's navy secretary said, in part: "All hands of the United States Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard may take satisfaction in the conclusion of the war against Japan."
Williams said he had no idea how much the document might bring, though he hoped it would clear $7,000. The winning bid was $20,500, plus a 10 percent buyer's fee.
"I'm elated," Williams told the Press-Enterprise newspaper of Bloomsburg.
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