That's Kerch (Керчь), the only survived Kara Class cruiser. Built in 1974. Scheduled to meet her sisters soon (?!). Last seen on exercises in August, 2011.Originally Posted by xinhui
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To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
This is the Murmansk, it ran aground off the coast of Norway while being towed to the scrapyard in India in the early 90's. They are now cutting her apart due to fears of radioactive hazmat on board. They built a cofferdam around the hulk and have started cutting it down. You can watch the progress (really slow progress) on their webcam: Borealis Livecam Miljøprosjekt Murmansk
Well not exactly Russian Navy ships, but some of the Russian Petya class Corvettes in the Indian Navy did serve for close to 30 years. Details here: Arnala class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaI wonder, what was the name of the last Russian Naval ship to see thirty years of service?
I think I could her.... holy crapThat's Kerch (Керчь), the only survived Kara Class cruiser. Built in 1974. Scheduled to meet her sisters soon (?!). Last seen on exercises in August, 2011.
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Read it somewhere that a over-patriotic government of the time brought a carrier Indian Navy did not want. IN always wanted to built's own carrier. This might explain why IN went with a Italian design rather than Russian, as they were not confident of current state of Russian carrier building ability.
Out of the final bill, wonder how much went into Akulas, and Russian tech for India's own nuke sub.
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I think that, at the time, refurbishing an existing carrier seemed like the best way to get another flight deck into the fleet until their domestic shipbuilding was up to speed in the carrier business. After all, building a carrier is nothing like anything other kind of shipbuilding.
The Russians have long been an arms supplier to India and the Indian Navy's officers checked out Gorshkov and everything seemed like a good bet 12 or so years ago.
Unfortunately at least some of the Indian naval officers were induced to ignore certain problems during their inspection and the Russian shipyard turned out to be a paradigm of incompetence and corruption.
So, here it is 2012 and the indigenous Vikrant will probably won't be too far behind Vikramaditya in joining the fleet...I don't think anybody saw that one coming.
Not everyone is happy with Mig-29, some adopted for Su-33....
“the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson
The Su-33 is fine if you have a long enough runway (in the absence of a catapult) and a large enough hanger. The Gorshkov doesn't have either. Neither does the new Indian Vikrant. Last heard the Russians were buying 24 Mig-29Ks to replace their 24 Su-33s.
Saw recent article on the subject. Not much (if any) new information in the article.
But, regardless that, here it is for your reading pleasure...
Sea Trials Start Of Indian Navy's Aircraft Carrier
By Keith Henderson | Maritime Propulsion | June 19, 2012
Sea trials have commenced with the Indian Navy’s new aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya after a major refurbishment costing $ 2.3 billion at the Sevmash Shipyard, Russia. Originally laid down in 1978 at the Nikolayev South Shipyard in Ukraine as Baku, a Modified Kiev Class Project 1143.4 carrier, was launched in 1982 and commissioned in 1987: in 1991 she was renamed Admiral Goshkov.
In 1994, a boiler room explosion caused her to be withdrawn from service for a year undergoing repairs. She returned to service briefly in 1995 and in 1996 was taken out of service permanently and offered for sale.
The ship has a displacement of 45,400 t, an LOA of 928 ft (283 m), beam 167 ft (51 m) and draft of 32.8 ft (10 m). The propulsion system comprises eight oil fired boilers with four GTZA 674 steam turbines delivering 50,000 hp to each of the four shafts. Speed is 29 kn with a range of 13,800 nautical miles at a cruising speed of 18 kn. The air wing is expected to consist of carrier-based single seat MiG-29K and two seater MiG-29KUB fighter aircraft.
After leaving Sevmash Shipyard the carrier will heads out into the White Sea where she will be pushed to her maximum in a series of sea trials lasting 8 to 10 days. The ship will then enter the Barents Sea for air wing trials with test flights and demonstrations of take off and landing carried out using two Russian aircraft, MiG-29K and MiG-35, flown by Russian pilots. Russia last year delivered to the Indian Navy 12 MiG-29K single-seaters and 4 MiG-29KUB two-seaters, which will be based on the Vikramaditya.
India has ordered another batch of 29 MiG-29K deck fighters that will also provide airpower for the Vikrant aircraft carrier being built in India.
India plans to add two indigenously built carriers to her fleet and the first hull was laid down in 2009 with a planned launch date of 2013. All carriers will use Short Take Off But Arrested Recovery.(STOBAR). Once in service the INS Vikramaditya is to replace the Viraat (ex HMS Hermes) aircraft carrier.
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Actually the MiG-29K were the better aircraft than the Su-33s!!
MiG-29K were fully multirole whereas Su-33 more of Air-superiority fighter with Su-27 with folding wing and canard foreplanes. Even though the MiG-29K had shorter range, payload and radar it did fill the requirements.
Agreed; the MiG-29K had (has?) several advantages over the warmed-over Su-33, not the least of which was the more advanced avionics on the -29K (glass cockpit), and the fact that you could stow 33% more MiG-29 airframes on the carrier vs. the Su (due to the size difference). The Su might have a better overall range, but it's STOL capability wasn't quite as good as the MiG's and, besides, the Russian navy isn't a true blue-water navy anyway, the MiG's range should be fine; I think the IN made the right call in opting for the MiG-29.
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Russian and India are the only navies using the Mig-29 ?
How many non-western navies have aircraft carriers?Russian and India are the only navies using the Mig-29 ?
How many western navies DO have CVs?
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And the answer is 3, versus 2 non-Western navies.
So the MiG-29 has a pretty decent distribution, all things considered.
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