Yuan B class sub

**xinhui** · 14 Sep 10,, 16:12

just launched in Wuhan

was just launched at Wuhan Shipyard on September 9, 2010. This improved design has been speculated to feature a new sonar system, a new surveillance system (periscope, radar etc.), and a new weapon system (possibly vertically launched long-range AshM from its extended sail?).

**xinhui** · 15 Sep 10,, 20:16

one more

**gunnut** · 18 Sep 10,, 04:20

I'm more interested in the UFO hovering over the city...

**Officer of Engineers** · 18 Sep 10,, 04:32

It is still a modified MING and nowhere close on par with a KILO. I really do not understand why this is a new class.

**snowhole** · 20 Sep 10,, 04:00

Originally Posted by gunnut

I'm more interested in the UFO hovering over the city...

That's an advertisement airship.

**zraver** · 20 Sep 10,, 15:45

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

It is still a modified MING and nowhere close on par with a KILO. I really do not understand why this is a new class.

Sir, she is mostly defiantely not a Ming/Romeo/Type XXI. She has the teardrop hull and sail shape of the Kilo class and the type 39 Song is 100m/t heavier, the Yaun B type 41 heavier still and might well be double the weight of a Ming. Chinese domestic sources claim the sub which is an improvement over the type 39 has at least some form of AIP which would give it greater range than the Kilo. The hull shows obvious Kilo influences and the electronics are surely either upgraded versions of French kit bought in the 90's or Russian kit China copied and modified from the Klio class subs she bought. Weapons load is surely similar as well. She might be inferior to the Kilo in noise generate and sensors but it won't be by much and she has a longer range. If she has full AIP and at least semi-modern ashm capability she is a serious threat anywhere in Asian waters.

**Officer of Engineers** · 20 Sep 10,, 16:28

My mistake, I believe the first impression of the YUAN was a modified SOONG and my memory is mixing up the two right now.

**Skywatcher** · 20 Sep 10,, 17:11

Originally Posted by zraver

She might be inferior to the Kilo in noise generate and sensors but it won't be by much and she has a longer range. If she has full AIP and at least semi-modern ashm capability she is a serious threat anywhere in Asian waters.

If you believe that ONI report, the Yuan is quieter than the Lada but still noisier than the upgraded Kilo (for what that's worth).

**gunnut** · 20 Sep 10,, 18:23

Originally Posted by snowhole

That's an advertisement airship.

Ah...ok. Thanks for solving that mystery for me. I wasn't sure because the tail fins weren't visible in the photo.

**zraver** · 20 Sep 10,, 19:05

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

My mistake, I believe the first impression of the YUAN was a modified SOONG and my memory is mixing up the two right now.

NP, easy mistake.

back to the Ming, does anyone know of any modifed versions of WWII vessels still on active service? The Ming is basically a soviet Romeo (also still in service) version of the Nazi Type XXI U-boat.

**Skywatcher** · 20 Sep 10,, 19:38

The ROCN has two Guppy class submarines, though I think they mostly use them for training.

**zraver** · 20 Sep 10,, 19:45

Originally Posted by Skywatcher

The ROCN has two Guppy class submarines, though I think they mostly use them for training.

OK thanks.

**xinhui** · 20 Sep 10,, 20:44

The last known Ming orbat as follow (January 2008)

1x detachment, 2nd Submarine sqd 4x (342, 352, 353, 354) North Sea fleet

2x detachments, 12th Submarine Sqd 8x (356, 356, 357, 358), (360, 361, 362, 363). North Sea Fleet (361 was lost due to an accident)

2x detachments, 72nd Submarine sqd 8x (309, 310, 311, 312), (305, 306, 307, 308) South Sea Fleet.

**Skywatcher** · 20 Sep 10,, 21:32

Originally Posted by zraver

OK thanks.

No problem. North Korea had some Whiskeys and maybe Mings. Though I don't know if those are still operational. The KPA never throws anything away, but I certainly wouldn't want to even go across the harbor in one of those thngs.