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Reply With QuoteWell, I did say "Enlarge the hull for greater range"...Originally Posted by gunnut
Then you get the LCS-1, only with a different gun.
Saar 5 is not useful for the USN which deploys all over the world. It's the same reason why the Pegasus class was useless.
We can see a similar trend at the beginning of the age of Dreadnought. The Royal Navy's ships were not as well armed and armored as their German counterparts. The RN deployed all over the world to maintain the empire while German ships were mostly held close to their homeports.
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Well, I did say "Enlarge the hull for greater range"...
But...you'll get LCS-1, with a different gun...
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
a 3" SRF module for the LCS wouldn't be that big of an order, it would be a small work project IMO.
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Look at this picture from Wikipedia, it seems to show the 30mm's and the 57 on the same ship
Last edited by USSWisconsin; 28 Dec 10, at 03:08.
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Yes, the 30mm's have been aboard since Freedom was at Norfolk. The 30mm's are in the mission module locations as designed. The PAMS would have located in the same locations if ever deployed. Freedom has two positions for such items, while the Independence class has three (two on the superstructure and one on the forecastle).
Does anyone know what the design life is for the LCS? I have seen both 20 and 30 years mentioned. A GAO report cites 25 years (but it is an average of the two classes). The mission packages are to be designed to have a 30 year service life. It is hard to imagine what kind of shape these ships will be in after 30 years.
Last edited by surfgun; 28 Dec 10, at 04:05.
Normal life expectancy of ships like this (smaller surface combatants) is 25 years on the hull life. However, if maintained well perhaps a few years longer.
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The two Mk 46 30 mm guns on LCS 1 look great, but remember they will not be fitted as standard and this would not be an ideal choice for defeating sea-skimming missiles or aircraft - good for knocking out small boats though, I have to say.
It looks like the LCS costs are finally getting under control with the new contracts.
Navy awards LCS deals to Lockheed, Austal - Navy News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Navy Times
Related to this...
U.S. Department of Defense
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
N00024-11-C-2300
N00024-11-C-2301
Defense.gov: Contracts for Wednesday, December 29, 2010
Lockheed Martin Corp., Baltimore, Md., is being awarded a fixed-price-incentive contract for the fiscal 2010-2015 block buy of Flight 0+ Littoral Combat Ships (LCS). The fiscal 2010 LCS Flight 0+ ship award amount is $436,852,639. There are additional line items totaling $54,742,639 for technical data package, core class services, provisioned items orders, ordering, a not-to-exceed line item for non-recurring engineering, and data items. The total amount of the contract is $491,595,278. The contract includes line items for nine additional ships and options for post delivery support, additional crew and shore support, special studies, class services, class standard equipment support, economic order quantity equipment, selected ship systems equipment for a second source and selected ship system integration and test for a second source which, if authorized/exercised, would bring the cumulative value of this contract to $4,570,604,367. The cumulative value excluding any option items related to the second source is $4,069,913,166. Work will be performed in Marinette, Wis. (56 percent); Walpole, Mass. (14 percent); Washington, D.C. (12 percent); Oldsmar, Fla. (4 percent); Beloit, Wis. (3 percent); Moorestown, N.J. (2 percent); Minneapolis, Minn. (2 percent); and various locations of less than one percent, each totaling seven percent. Work is expected to be complete by August 2015. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year, except for fiscal 2010 RDT&E. This contract was competitively procured via the Federal Business Opportunities website with two offers received. The Naval Sea Systems Command, Washington, D.C., is the contracting activity (N00024-11-C-2300).
Austal USA, LLC, Mobile, Ala., is being awarded a fixed-price-incentive contract for the fiscal 2010-2015 block buy of Flight 0+ Littoral Combat Ships (LCS). The fiscal 2010 LCS Flight 0+ ship award amount is $432,069,883. There are additional line items totaling $33,398,998 for technical data package, core class services, provisioned items orders, ordering, a not-to-exceed line item for non-recurring engineering, and data items. The total amount of the contract is $465,468,881. The contract includes line items for nine additional ships and options for post delivery support, additional crew and shore support, special studies, class services, class standard equipment support, economic order quantity equipment, selected ship systems equipment for a second source and selected ship system integration and test for a second source which, if authorized/exercised, would bring the cumulative value of this contract to $4,386,301,775. The cumulative value excluding any option items related to the second source is $3,785,807,006. Work will be performed in Mobile, Ala. (50 percent); Pittsfield, Mass. (17 percent); Cincinnati, Ohio (3 percent); Baltimore, Md. (2 percent); Burlington, Vt. (2 percent); New Orleans, La. (2 percent); and various locations of less than two percent each totaling 24 percent. Work is expected to be complete by June 2015. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year, except fiscal 2010 RDT&E. This contract was competitively procured via the Federal Business Opportunities website with two offers received. The Naval Sea Systems Command, Washington, D.C., is the contracting activity (N00024-11-C-2301).
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And then there are those that would say either they arent needed by the USN for future operations or they cannot bring the costs in line. Guess they were wrong. Go figure.
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It looks like the Navy is taking a look at Raytheon's Griffin missile as a possible replacement for the cancelled PAMS. If it works out and is adopted, it could be a major positive development for the LCS program. Griffin is a missile that was developed by Raytheon as a lightweight alternative to Hellfire for use on UAVs. It uses some parts from Javelin and AIM-9X.
Raytheon Company: AUSA 2010: Griffin and Small Tactical Munition
I can't find any mention on the missile's range but, considering it's components, it can't be much... wouldn't this force the LCS into a close range fight?
The Griffin has a 13 pound warhead. Other than against a speedboat, what would that be good for?
Last edited by surfgun; 12 Jan 11, at 21:08.
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