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    Quote Originally Posted by jlvfr View Post
    A scene from MiB comes to mind: Will Smith is the only one in the "written exam" that has the idea of pulling the table to himself in order to be able to write properly

    So, maybe the others had it bumping into it and didn't think about it. Or maybe he is just the squad's moron



    (psst: I have seen pics of US snipers with the cover (hat? cap?) rotated all the way to the back... but don't tell!)
    *Especially SWAT but also depends on the scope itself and the kick of the rifle. Dont want any black eyes.)

    *Dont see any scope though, perhaps hard sites?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post

    *Dont see any scope though, perhaps hard sites?
    Look at the right-most rifle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlvfr View Post
    Look at the right-most rifle...
    Thanks for that catch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    I see what you are saying and quite possible I'm sure. Then I look at the gentlemen in the green who has the very same rifle and both rifles are flat on the deck and his cover is straight.
    Because the gentleman in the green is a US Marine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Because the gentleman in the green is a US Marine.
    That would explain that.)
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    That was a marine contest in China. that pic shows the the shooting competition. The result of those competition is 17:3 Chinese marine won the game.
    But US marines were in a strange environment, especially they used PLA's rifle(type-95).
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    The VietNamese all around the world have been protested China policy at
    issue Paracel & Spratly islands for many years , which they used force to take it . China used that Much great force Killing 200 VietNamese who had only rifles on their hands ( 1988) .

    In Vietnamese these Islands are named Hoang Sa & Truong Sa . Which belongs to VietNam since 1700's century .


    Since , American withdrew from VietNam 30-04-1975 . China wants to take control of the south China sea by anyway they can . This means ... Any ships that get thru this area in the future must ask their Permissions ?

    China sea is - The sea that is locate southern of China . Which many countries shares as VietNam , Philipines , Malaysia , Indonesia , Thailand ...
    It does not mean this sea belongs to China . for Example : India sea , English Channel ...
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    You rised a dispute using a 17th century's histoical evidence. Of course, I can also use a 13th century's, even more old evidence to prove China's claim.

    But, you should know,I did not claim anything on this topic, I just showed a fact,matter,or a event here.

    This is a forum on the web, not a world court. Any Claim ,and rising a disputeabout about the sovereignty here,That is not the purpose of this forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QueLongAn View Post
    The VietNamese all around the world have been protested China policy at
    issue Paracel & Spratly islands for many years , which they used force to take it . China used that Much great force Killing 200 VietNamese who had only rifles on their hands ( 1988) .

    In Vietnamese these Islands are named Hoang Sa & Truong Sa . Which belongs to VietNam since 1700's century .

    Since , American withdrew from VietNam 30-04-1975 . China wants to take control of the south China sea by anyway they can . This means ... Any ships that get thru this area in the future must ask their Permissions ?

    China sea is - The sea that is locate southern of China . Which many countries shares as VietNam , Philipines , Malaysia , Indonesia , Thailand ...
    It does not mean this sea belongs to China . for Example : India sea , English Channel ...
    Ya well thats the way things work in this world and thats why you invest in a military force capable of defending what you have or capturing what you want (if its worth it).
    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueLongAn View Post
    The VietNamese all around the world have been protested China policy at
    issue Paracel & Spratly islands for many years , which they used force to take it . China used that Much great force Killing 200 VietNamese who had only rifles on their hands ( 1988) .
    They should have brought something bigger.

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    Can Vietnam do anything to take the islands?

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    The Crime of the China Navy

    This is the truth about what happened in that videoclip:

    "In the early months of 1988, the Chinese Navy had landed troops on five reefs and atolls of the Spratly Islands -The whole spratly Islands belong to Vietnam according to reliable historical proofs. Three of them lie quite near the large islands of which Vietnam owns. The Vietnamese Navy then ferried supplies and equipment to six other reefs and atolls. They successfully gained control of them and prevented the Chinese Navy from extending their occupied zone into the other islands. In early March, the High Command of Vietnamese navy decided to take control over other three reefs because they were part of the Spratly Island and form an open chain of reefs around Sin Cowe island that were in control of Vietnam. On March 13th, in the late evening three transport ships of Vietnam arrived in time at those reefs and set up the flags to present Vietnam’s sovereignty over them. However, some hours after the Vietnamese transport ships had reached the target, four large Chinese warships got close to the Vietnamese and switched on the warning loudspeaker. They were equipped with advanced 100mm guns, missiles and torpedoes. Despite threat from Chinese warships, the Vietnamese transport ships patiently kept anchoring beside the reefs. They were not powerful enough to confront with the Chinese navy and did not want to escalate the conflict. The strain continued until early morning when the Chinese floated the boats and caused more conflicts for the battle to break out. All the Chinese, especially soldiers, are taught that the ocean area of the Spratly islands with hundreds islands, reefs and atolls belongs to China, although it lies at a distance of over 1000 km far from the undermost Chinese coast at Hainan island. The Chinese continued being ordered to take an oath before every floating boat that carried many armed marines.
    The Chinese boats rushed straight towards the reefs and approached the Vietnamese transport ships. Standing on the reefs where the water level covered the half of their bodies, the Vietnamese sailors set up commanding positions along the edge of the reefs to lay the defending lines and try to prevent the enemy from advancing forward. Seen from the air, they formed a circle. The Vietnamese defenders were absolutely outnumbered by Chinese troops and also were threatened to retreat from the reefs on which the flags were already planted as a reaffirmation of sovereignty. Just because the Vietnamese navy refused to withdraw from the reef, the Chinese used battleships for firing with 37 mm directly at the unarmed and light armed Vietnamese sailors on the reefs who were not able to attack them from their defending positions. They also fired with 100mm gun at the three Vietnamese transport ships and seriously damaged them, until two of them sank.64 Vietnamese sailors and officers lost their lives, among them were only 3 corpses were found after the end of the battle,61 other persons were still missing and reputedly dead. Eventually, Vietnam defended successfully its sovereignty over two reefs on that day. China has occupied the other ones since that incident.

    Nowadays, although living under constant threat and provocation from the Chinese navy, smiling atmosphere and the living standard of the Vietnamese sailors and civilians in the Spratly Islands are improving gradually. Vietnam reaffirms continuously its sovereignty over the Spratly Islands. In the middle of the ocean, which is 300km far from the Vietnam coast, they stand together and unite together as one to protect the sea territory of their motherland"

    You can watch the clip that was made by a Vietnamese here: YouTube - China invaded Spratly islands of Vietnam (real footage 1988)

    Thank you for your reading and watching.
    Last edited by Strength of Vietnam; 28 Apr 09, at 18:48.

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    Would you mind breaking this into proper paragraphs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by china-a invader View Post
    The Crime of the China Navy

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    Which one? PRC or ROC? Guess China also has documents to prove, it is a dispute. If Vietnam ferry some troops to the islands in the first place, China came later to claim them, China becomes an invader, what Vietnam is in Taiwan's eyes, it has stationed troops on that islands since WW2, is still sitting on the biggest island there, according to the logic, Vietnam is the invader. Taiwan also gave some assistance to China's retake of some reefs there, an invader too? Economic difficulty is not an excuse for nationalism.
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    The Crime of the China Navy on 14th Mar 1988

    In the early months of 1988, the Chinese Navy had landed troops on five reefs and atolls that belong to the Spratly Islands area. Three of them lie quite near the large islands of which Vietnam is in possession. The Vietnamese Navy then ferried supplies and equipment to six other reefs and atolls. They successfully gained control of them and prevented the Chinese Navy from extending their occupied zone into the other islands. In early March, the High Command of Vietnamese navy decided to take control over three reefs because they were still being fallow and form an open chain of reefs around Sin Cowe island that were in control of Vietnam. On March 13th, in late evening three transport ships of Vietnam arrived in time at those reefs and set up the flags to present Vietnamese sovereignty over them. However, some hours after the Vietnamese transport ships had reached target, four large Chinese warships got close to the Vietnamese and switched on the warning loudspeaker. They were equipped with advanced 100mm guns, missiles and torpedoes. Despite threat from Chinese warships, the Vietnamese transport ships patiently kept dropped anchor beside the reefs. They were not powerful enough to confront the Chinese and did not advocate escalating the conflict. The strain continued until early morning when the Chinese floated the boats and caused more conflicts for the battle breaking out. All the Chinese, especially soldiers, are taught that the ocean area of Spratly islands with hundreds islands, reefs and atolls belongs to China, although it lies at a distance of over 1000 km far from the undermost Chinese coast at Hainan island. The Chinese continued being ordered to take an oath before every floating boat that carried many armed marines.
    The Chinese boats rushed straight towards the reefs and approached the Vietnamese transport ships. Standing on the reefs on which the water level covers the half of their bodies, the Vietnamese sailors set up commanding positions along edge of the reefs to lay the defending lines and try to prevent the enemy from advancing forward. Seen from the air, they formed a circle. The Vietnamese defenders were absolutely outnumbered by Chinese troops and also were being threatened to be retreat from the reefs on which the flags were already planted as reaffirmation of sovereignty. Just because Vietnamese navy had refused to withdraw troops from the reef, the Chinese then used battleships for firing with 37 mm directly on the unarmed and light armed Vietnamese sailors on the reefs who were not able to attack them in their defending positions. They also fired with 100mm gun on the three Vietnamese transport ships and seriously damaged them, until two of them sank.64 Vietnamese sailors and officers lost their lives, among them were only 3 corpse were found after the end of battle,61 other persons still missed and reputedly dead. During the clash, two students in practice training from Academy of Vietnamese navy died while taking part in fighting on one of Vietnamese transports. The Chinese claim of their own casualties: 6 killed and 21 injured in combat. Eventually Vietnam defended successfully sovereignty over two reefs on that day. China has occupied the other ones since that incident.

    Nowadays, although living under constant threat and provocation from the other side, smiling atmosphere and the living standard of Vietnamese sailors and civilians in the Spratly Islands are improving gradually. Vietnam reaffirms continuously her sovereignty over the Spratly Islands. In the middle of the ocean, which is 300km far from the Vietnam coast, they stand together and unite together as one to protect the sea territory of their motherland.
    Spratly Islands Of Vietnam, forever!

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