View Poll Results: Best response to Somali piracy?

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  • Large-scale military action against pirate vessels and their bases of operations

    55 49.55%
  • Smaller-scale measures such as increased patrols and deterrence

    23 20.72%
  • Cargo and merchant ships should take it upon themselves to provide their own security

    15 13.51%
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    18 16.22%
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    wasnt it ethiopia that just pulled out,couldnt they have took somalia or was they too small of a fighting force,i know about all the warring militias but i thought they were allied with goverment forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift Sword View Post
    [SWIFT SWORD'S COUNTER INTUITIVE MODE ON]

    Come to think of it, this whole Somali pirate thing might not be worth discouraging but rather encouraging at some levels.

    IIRC, there are several flavors of piracy, some a bit more legit than the others.

    Given a little paperwork and a few shekels...and some intelligence feeding...these pirates might be suitably induced to create awkward situations for North Koreans, Iranians, al Qaeda, narcobandistas, plunderers of fisheries, proliferators, pimps, pushers and other players/annoying people using the oceans to forward aims contrary to "our" interests.

    Just a thought...

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    William, The above point to good thoughts no doubt but would you not agree that by doing this we would be just as bad as Iran with Hamas, Hezbollah and all the others? That is not to say the ideas dont have good intentions.
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    Actually the Huffington Post is lying to you.

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    gunnut,

    Somalia should be divided amongst the world powers for colonization. That'll clear the problem right up.
    who wants THAT sh*thole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    *And will further enjoy every laser guided JDAM bomb being dropped on you from the air or ballistic missles coming in from the sea. Bon Appetite!


    Repair radios? Build bombs and rockets? What makes you think your own country wont lock you up for exporting terrorism nor inciting it? Your own country is patrolling and gaurding against it as well since it is in International waters in other words against Maritime Law and garentee your country uses those waters as well.


    What these people do is terrorism. Terming it piracy went out in the 20th century and is easy enough for all of the politicians to pronounce. So your a wanabe terrorist waiting for work?

    Pirates are pirates. Terrorism has become an American hetze word.

    You can combat the pirates if you want. I do entirely support your goals.
    But as soon as you start bombing fishing villages, I'm contra.

    Besides, I'm not a Russian citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    gunnut,



    who wants THAT sh*thole?
    Can we con the Italians into it again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Pirates are pirates. Terrorism has become an American hetze word.

    You can combat the pirates if you want. I do entirely support your goals.
    But as soon as you start bombing fishing villages, I'm contra.

    Besides, I'm not a Russian citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Pirates are pirates. Terrorism has become an American hetze word.

    You can combat the pirates if you want. I do entirely support your goals.
    But as soon as you start bombing fishing villages, I'm contra.

    Besides, I'm not a Russian citizen.
    If thats what you say. Call terrorism what you want there is just as many names for Santa Clause meaning the very same thing just different cultures beliefs. And besides if you really want them to be called Pirates then they would claim no home nor boundary since true pirates of the 18th and 19th century had no land but the ships they sailed and the lands they plundered. So in that definition that are not Pirates but more like modern thieves that kill and steal. Somalia where they call home is land so incase they are not true pirates. Fishing villages or not do not change what they are, what they do nor the outcome of how they will meet the end.

    *Russian citizen or not chances are 90% and greater that whatever country your from its trade via exports or imports to said country travel through this area and if not then through the Panama Canal.
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    Drones and blockade. Any vessel setting out more then a mile from their known ports would be destroyed.

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    I wanted to vote for large scale military action, but this may not solve the problem
    entirely. Do not think anybody want to be pirate if other ways can be found to make a
    decent living. To support a strong central government may be first step in solving this
    problem.

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    Post Somalia

    Don't you remember the last time we tried to straighten
    out Somalia ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by handball View Post
    Don't you remember the last time we tried to straighten
    out Somalia ?
    we didn,t. only tried to arrest adid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    There's nothing to take there. No major power would want to. Somalia is not a country, it's a place no one wants.
    I think the country was supposed to have rich oil rserves with Conoco Amaco and Chevron given exploration drilling rights for oil, during Barre's Presidency.

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    Re: Best response to Somali piracy?

    Maybe have a few SSKs pop up, dive, go through cycles of being seen and not seen. If a command ship or boat that gathers intelligence for the pirates is detected, use the 324-mm torpedo to sink that ship. (A better alternative than a 21" torpedo.) Remember the psychological impact the sinking of the ARA Gen. Belgrano had on the Argentine Navy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    If they will try to do so, I'll apply for volunteer duty with the pirates. I can repair radios and build bombs and rockets.
    Why? Nobody is interested in Somalia so extensive (and expensive) nation building and such is out.
    Just killing them at sea is not enough, their bases need to be destroyed so the villages need to burn.
    Keep burning the pirates out until they get the idea. Steal all you like but at the end of the day you and yours wont live to enjoy it.
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