View Poll Results: Best response to Somali piracy?

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  • Large-scale military action against pirate vessels and their bases of operations

    55 49.55%
  • Smaller-scale measures such as increased patrols and deterrence

    23 20.72%
  • Cargo and merchant ships should take it upon themselves to provide their own security

    15 13.51%
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    18 16.22%
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Actually I meant the area literally at the "horn." It's not exactly at the entrance to the Red Sea, but it has better access to the Indian Ocean.
    So do a billion other spots on the Indian Ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteasaur View Post
    dont china already own 1/2 of africa....
    But it would be better to own 1/2 + the Horn of Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by biteasaur View Post
    after this last fiasco and the pirates thteatening to kill u.s and french sailers,i think every cargo ship should have trained sailers ,at least m16"s and beretta/glock whatever sidearms,if not even trained security with whatever they see fit.my thoughts are .50 barrett rifles-gatling,miniguns or .30-.50 caliber mgs.that would cure the problem.
    That measure will run into problems with local laws and anti-terrorism issues.

    Many countries don't have liberal gun laws. They do not permit a ship with small arms to dock. Too easy to smuggle them ashore.

    We have liberal gun laws, but we also don't want a heavily armed foreign security on board a freighter that docks at New York harbor. Who are these "security personnel?" Or who are these "sailors?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Sir,

    I was actually trying to say that I doubt China has the resources to do so. And they have seen the US in Iraq, and will avoid the mistakes.
    I'm sure they can do it if "colonization" is permitted again. They'll make sure they get a piece of the action.

    Otherwise, I agree with you. They don't want to get into "nation building" just to have a stake in a harbor/territory they don't own outright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    So do a billion other spots on the Indian Ocean.
    But they're all taken, or harder to justify the taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Sir,

    I was actually trying to say that I doubt China has the resources to do so. And they have seen the US in Iraq, and will avoid the mistakes.
    *And will suffer their own mistakes the US didnt make if they do infact ever go into a war footing in this century. You can study all you want but experience tells you the plan is worthless 5 seconds after somebody's nose gets bloodied. China is far from perfect and will suffer their own mistakes without doubt.
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    agreed..how many ships from how many nations are patrolling,i know of u.s ,france and china,maybe u.k,anybody else letting they"re navy in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    If they will try to do so, I'll apply for volunteer duty with the pirates. I can repair radios and build bombs and rockets.
    *And will further enjoy every laser guided JDAM bomb being dropped on you from the air or ballistic missles coming in from the sea. Bon Appetite!


    Repair radios? Build bombs and rockets? What makes you think your own country wont lock you up for exporting terrorism nor inciting it? Your own country is patrolling and gaurding against it as well since it is in International waters in other words against Maritime Law and garentee your country uses those waters as well.


    What these people do is terrorism. Terming it piracy went out in the 20th century and is easy enough for all of the politicians to pronounce. So your a wanabe terrorist waiting for work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by biteasaur View Post
    agreed..how many ships from how many nations are patrolling,i know of u.s ,france and china,maybe u.k,anybody else letting they"re navy in the area.
    Russia,India,Germany.
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    greece was having w/s there too
    however
    my way of thinking is that a grand military action has to be taken

    but


    not in the sea

    on stable ground
    1) by locating their bases
    2) locating their equipment provider (equipment , food supplies first aid etc )and stop supplies
    3) locating their sensitivities and priorities
    4) find out how they are working and what is their teams connections
    5) destroying their communications

    and after all this


    6) after finnishing all the above , smash them down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    What do you guys think of the idea of sending several more USMC amphibious assault ships to the region? I think they'd be very ideally suited for this type of operation. The USS Boxer is already in theater.
    That, and a few AC-130U's based out of Garcia should take care of it . . .

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    Lets remember one thing here folks. If you send US naval ships then its on the US taxpayers. Whats going to happen when they find that one of the more radical countries (maybe Iran,Syria,Lebannon or possibly any other country) is funding or arming them? Are they going to stand up at the UNSC and provide for troops, funds or aerial, ground or naval support or turn away in the hopes of not insulting a buddy nation that comes to light when it gets ugly and they still want this buddies oil or gas resouces? Honestly, why should we the US waste our money if all of these nations are not commited to doing what is right. Not what works for them such as in NK's or Irans case but what the greater good actually is. In other words total destruction and eradication.

    *Anthing less and your just buying time for the inevitable to occur again and again. Commit or not there is no grey area. And the last time I checked all wallets were tightening up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sealion View Post
    greece was having w/s there too
    however
    my way of thinking is that a grand military action has to be taken

    but


    not in the sea

    on stable ground
    1) by locating their bases
    2) locating their equipment provider (equipment , food supplies first aid etc )and stop supplies
    3) locating their sensitivities and priorities
    4) find out how they are working and what is their teams connections
    5) destroying their communications

    and after all this


    6) after finnishing all the above , smash them down
    1. Who's paying for this operation?
    2. How long do you plan to stay there?
    3. They'll come back once you leave.
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    They arent pirates, they are trying to protect their waters. See

    http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22399.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maclint View Post
    They arent pirates, they are trying to protect their waters. See

    http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22399.htm
    They are in International waters ergo beyond the 12 mile marker. They have been attacking ships and killing sailors much further out then that and all countries have the right to transit International waters for trade and any other reason they wish within the context of International waters and the Laws that govern the Rights of the Sea. They are terrorists and criminals, nothing more nothing less.
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    [SWIFT SWORD'S COUNTER INTUITIVE MODE ON]

    Come to think of it, this whole Somali pirate thing might not be worth discouraging but rather encouraging at some levels.

    IIRC, there are several flavors of piracy, some a bit more legit than the others.

    Given a little paperwork and a few shekels...and some intelligence feeding...these pirates might be suitably induced to create awkward situations for North Koreans, Iranians, al Qaeda, narcobandistas, plunderers of fisheries, proliferators, pimps, pushers and other players/annoying people using the oceans to forward aims contrary to "our" interests.

    Just a thought...

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