Kidd Class vs Sovremmeney Class

**BUFF** · 14 Aug 03,, 04:30

I was reading an interesting article about the KIDD class on FAS, I was wandering how it stacks up to the Sovremmeny Class?

I think Taiwan aquired the KIDDs, and the Chinese have a few Sovremmenys.

**Bill** · 14 Aug 03,, 05:47

The Kidd(NTU) is a superior warship in nearly every possible way.

**lurker** · 14 Aug 03,, 06:13

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

The Kidd(NTU) is a superior warship in nearly every possible way.

Except it's very dead against 8 Sunburns

**bigross86** · 14 Aug 03,, 11:29

Can someone post the specs on both ships? I tried finding them online and couldn't

**lurker** · 14 Aug 03,, 12:41

Originally Posted by bigross86

Can someone post the specs on both ships? I tried finding them online and couldn't

there is an info about Sovremenny (project 956) class:

Power plant: 2 turbines 50,000 hp each, two shafts
Length: 156.5 m
Beam: 17.2 m
Draft: 5.99 m

Displacement: standard - 6500 t, full - 7940 t, max - 8480 t.
Speed: max - 32.7 knots
Range: 1345 nm with max speed, 3920 nm with 18 knots, 4500 nm with 18 kn. and max fuel load

Armament:
2 x 2 - 130 mm multipurpose gun (type AK-130), 2000 shells
4 x 6 - 30 mm AA guns (type AK-630), 16000 shells

2 x 4 SS-N-22/Sunburn ("Moskit") missile launchers
2 x 1 AA SS-N-7/Gadfly missile ("Hurricane"/"Uyragan") launchers, 48 missiles

2 x 2 - 533 mm torpedo tubes
2 x 6 - anti-submarine rocket-propelled dc launchers (type RBU-1000), 48 dc

2 decoy dispensers with 200 rocket-propelled decoys

Aircraft:
1 Ka-27/Ka-28 or similar.

Combat systems:
Radar (Air search): Top Plate 3D, D/E-band
Radar (Surface search): 3 Palm Frond, I-band
Radar (Fire-control): 6 Front Dome, F-band (for SA-N-7 control); Kite Screach, H/I/K-band (for 130 mm gun control); 2 Bass Tilt, H/I-band (for 30 mm gun)
Weapons Control: Band Stand, datalink for SS-N-22; Bell Nest, 2 Light Bulb, and 2 Tee Pump datalinks
Sonars: Bull Horn ("Platina" or "Platina-S") and Whale Tongue, hull-mounted, active search and attack, medium frequency

**bigross86** · 14 Aug 03,, 12:48

Thankx. do you know where I can find that stuff about the Kidd?

**lurker** · 14 Aug 03,, 12:56

here for example http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ddg-993.htm

**bigross86** · 14 Aug 03,, 12:58

Thankx dude. Appreciate it.

**lurker** · 14 Aug 03,, 13:40

Originally Posted by bigross86

Thankx dude. Appreciate it.

np :D

**ChrisF202** · 14 Aug 03,, 13:44

There kinda old right?

**lurker** · 14 Aug 03,, 13:57

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

There kinda old right?

Which ones? Chineese ships are very new. Taiwaneese Kidd's - I don't know

**bigross86** · 14 Aug 03,, 14:33

According to that Link u sent me before, the Kidd's were built before/during the Iranian revolution in 1979

**lurker** · 14 Aug 03,, 14:49

Originally Posted by bigross86

According to that Link u sent me before, the Kidd's were built before/during the Iranian revolution in 1979

Oh, I see. I thought that they will be buying a newly built ones or something.

After your post I've found that they are buying Kidd, Callaghan, Scott and Chandler.

Those are very old. Maybe not very, but old.

**bigross86** · 14 Aug 03,, 15:07

According to FAS, they have all been decommissioned already.

**Bill** · 14 Aug 03,, 17:51

The Kidd's were designed as multirole warships and have MUCH better AAW capability than the Sovremney after the NTU update.

Given the Kidd's capacity of 68 SM-2MR(70 mile range) missiles, and inner defenses of 2 Phalanx and 5" guns, a Kidd is far more likely to survive an attack against 8 Sunburns than a Sovremney is against 68 SM-2MR's and 8 Harpoons...

Kidd has vastly better ECM/ECCM and much, much better sonar.

Even today Kidd's are among the most powerful warships afloat. The Chinese have no counter for them in the Strait.