Thread: Russian aircraft buzz USS Kitty Hawk

Originally Posted by Francois

I am not sure we are living on the same planet, you and me.
I have been involved with russian industry this last ten years, in engineering, and I can tell you Russia should really try another field.
They just can't built airplanes correctly.

My last experience is the RRJ in Sukhoi... And I am deadly serious here.

I've actually heard this as well, because of lack of funding and proper oversight Russian defence companies are cutting alot of corners right now to get products out the door that really shouldn't be released. Some haven't been tested properly or have safety issues that are being hushed down so they can sell them. Apparently this is especially true with some of the Russian avoinics, which is supposidly why some countries are insisting on foreign avionics being installed when they purchase Russian aircraft.

The government is aware of this but overlooks it apparently because the export sales bring in alot of cash and keep the industry alive.

That said the Russian government won't buy alot of the stuff because they know about the issues and problems with it.

Originally Posted by Francois

First, I am not going to spread here my resume.
Are you going to do yours? I think you can understand that.
I work in engineering, in systems.

As I said I am an equity analyst covering defense stocks (and other sectors as well) now based in Moscow but before that worked in London for 3 years. Was born and raised in USSR. Age 34 (soon 35

Why I was asking. I am going to see good friend working in the Civil Aircraft of Sukhoi on RRJ project. I thought that it would be intersting to tell him over beer that he is making crap and then to listen to how he would defend his baby. He is not a big boss there but still it would be interesting to hear his replies to your detailed critisizm.... I hear only good things about RRJ (except for that it is still on paper )..... and it is interesting to learn what is bad there as well. What is the problem with that? Can you share your views on what are basic problems of the project? Something which will not disclose you directly?

From what I understand from him.... RRJ is basically a western aircraft as most of the components (70%) there are western except for design and airframe. This decision was made to speed up design and testing. As the use of existing and proven components shortens this period significantly.....

ps. No need for CV here..... My good guess (don't reply) - a guyis pissed off with RRJ and he is French..... You are probably from Snecma or from one of its suppliers.

Originally Posted by Garry

As I said I am an equity analyst covering defense stocks (and other sectors as well) now based in Moscow but before that worked in London for 3 years. Was born and raised in USSR. Age 34 (soon 35

Why I was asking. I am going to see good friend working in the Civil Aircraft of Sukhoi on RRJ project. I thought that it would be intersting to tell him over beer that he is making crap and then to listen to how he would defend his baby. He is not a big boss there but still it would be interesting to hear his replies to your detailed critisizm.... I hear only good things about RRJ (except for that it is still on paper )..... and it is interesting to learn what is bad there as well. What is the problem with that? Can you share your views on what are basic problems of the project? Something which will not disclose you directly?

From what I understand from him.... RRJ is basically a western aircraft as most of the components (70%) there are western except for design and airframe. This decision was made to speed up design and testing. As the use of existing and proven components shortens this period significantly.....

ps. No need for CV here..... My good guess (don't reply) - a guyis pissed off with RRJ and he is French..... You are probably from Snecma or from one of its suppliers.

Well, I had no intention to publish my cv here anyway.
I was involved back when I lived in France with many projects, both mil and civilians. Mainly airplanes.

Now for Sukhoi, there are two things that put their ability in doubt:
1- They asked western companies for all systems of this plane.
Then, they systematically rejected the MIL and other western standards when applied. At the end, they had no choice but to comply, because else no supplier/partner would have worked with them and take such risks.
2- When they asked a supplier/partner for a propal, they just (and that was a systematical request) to sell a system "as is" in another designed aircraft, but cheaper.

These two details are just, in my eyes, a proof they have no idea how to design an airplane and its consequencies!

Originally Posted by Francois

Well, I had no intention to publish my cv here anyway.
I was involved back when I lived in France with many projects, both mil and civilians. Mainly airplanes.

Now for Sukhoi, there are two things that put their ability in doubt:
1- They asked western companies for all systems of this plane.
Then, they systematically rejected the MIL and other western standards when applied. At the end, they had no choice but to comply, because else no supplier/partner would have worked with them and take such risks.
2- When they asked a supplier/partner for a propal, they just (and that was a systematical request) to sell a system "as is" in another designed aircraft, but cheaper.

These two details are just, in my eyes, a proof they have no idea how to design an airplane and its consequencies!

OK. Now I see what you meant. It is true. RRJ is the first civil aircraft which they are designing. Stadanrds and suppliers for these are different..... not to mention that Russian/Soviet standards are also different.

on 2..... I guess it is a normal business practice.... isn't it? I guess you do same with your suppliers if you have alternative

Originally Posted by Garry

on 2..... I guess it is a normal business practice.... isn't it? I guess you do same with your suppliers if you have alternative

Seems logical at first sight, but you can't just copy and paste an electical or hydraulic system from an airplane to another.
It just won't work. Especially because the planes all have their specificities.