JA Boomer

None, now that the USN has retired their F-14 Tomcats

Skywatcher

Speaking of anti shipping missiles, is there any verification outside of JANES that the YJ-12 actually exists?

Loke

But this is a fairly old missile (from the 70s??) and although it certainly looks formidable, I would assume that a modern AEGIS system would be able to handle it quite efficiently. How far above the sea does it fly?

I believe a sea-skimming (below 10 m) stealth missile with jamming capabilities will do better than supersonic non-stealthy missiles.

Perhaps Brahmos is one of the most lethal cruise missiles these days -- it's supposed to have some stealth characteristics, in addition to being supersonic and sea-skimming.


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Loke

There is also the important effect of sea clutter. If the missile has a large RCS I'm sure it will show up nicely in spite of the sea clutter, however I am not so sure about a missile with very low RCS -- it may be able to stay "hidden" in the sea clutter for a few extra seconds...

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Albany Rifles

If you are going to take them out before they launch you don't use F-14s.

You use Tomahawks from SSNs or JDAMs from B2s.

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Master Chief

Seawolf, is said to have taken out of 4.5 in round. Now that fast. And the Phalanx system would be tracking the missile at greater range then which it could engage it. ( Not saying it would take it out).

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kuku

Sounds like against these formidable defences that can track and engage golfballs at 40 kms the best missile would be the cheapest one.

And against opponents of lesser capability, still the cheapest one would be the best.

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Rumrunner

If I may interject with the savage ass-whooping inflicted on the former USS Schenectady by JDAM's dropped from B-52's...who needs anti-ship missiles?

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Master Chief

Yea, that is against a dead ship! No defense systems at all. Hell yea it would more then enough damage which anyone could see.

I have been reading up and I seem from what I read I like the C-802 / YJ-2 / Ying Ji-802
CSS-C-8 / SACCADE
C-8xx / YJ-22
And here is the one artical which was good.

The Ying-Ji-802 land attack and anti-ship cruise missile [Western designation SACCADE], is an improved version of the C-801 which employs a small turbojet engine in place of the original solid rocket engine. The weight of the subsonic (0.9 Mach) Yingji-802 is reduced from 815 kilograms to 715 kilograms, but its range is increased from 42 kilometers to 120 kilometers. The 165 kg. (363 lb.) warhead is just as powerful as the earlier version. Since the missile has a small radar reflectivity and is only about five to seven meters above the sea surface when it attacks the target, and since its guidance equipment has strong anti-jamming capability, target ships have a very low success rate in intercepting the missile. The hit probability of the Yingji-802 is estimated to be as high as 98 percent. The Yingji-802 can be launched from airplanes, ships, submarines and land-based vehicles, and is considered along with the US "Harpoon" as among the best anti-ship missiles of the present-day world.
Following the 1991 Gulf War Iran imported the C-802 antiship cruise missile from China. China suspended exports in 1996 in response to comlaints by the the United States. In December 1996 Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, John Shalikashivili, warned Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian that arms exports would increase destabilizing factors in the region. No international agreement bans transfers of anti-ship missiles, and the C-802 is not covered by the MTCR, which controls exports of ballistic and cruise missiles that can deliver 500 kg. warheads to 300 km. Iran expected to purchase 150 C-802 missiles from China but only received a half of them because of the arms suspension. By mid-1997 Iran reportedly possessed some 60 of the missiles deployed in coastal batteries on Qeshm Island, a strategic point on the eastern side of the Arabian peninsula. In 1997, General J.H. Binford Peay, Central Command commander, said that China transferred 20 patrol boats with 15 equipped with C-802 missiles (Washington Times, January 29, 1997). [Some reports claim that China may have transferred hundreds of C-802s, although these claims are not widely attested].

In early 2000 it was reported that North Korea and Iran were jointly developing an advanced version of the C-802 cruise missile. These missiles initially acquired by Iran were not equipped with advanced systems, and the missiles acquired by Iran were rather outdated. Iran turned to North Korea for missile system technology, and the two countries are jointly developing an upgraded version with improved accuracy. ["N. Korea, Iran Jointly Develop Missile: Report" Korea Times February 17, 2000]

The precise application of the YJ-8 designation remains somewhat obscure, as it is used with reference to both C-801 and C-802 missiles, and may be the overall designator for the weapon system that fires both types of missiles.

The YJ-22 is a land-attack cruise missile development of the anti-ship C-802 with a 400km range, and possible GPS/TM guidance currently said to be under development with an IOC expected after 2005.


If we also could add the SS-N-2A/B Termit ASM which has a war record.
(In the India-Pakistan 1971 war, P-15 (NATO name Styx) missiles were used by the Indian Navy during Operation Trident. 4 Styx missiles were fired, 2 each at PNS Muhafiz (minesweeper) and PNS Khyber (destroyer), both of which sank. Indian Navy reportedly fired 13 Styx missiles during the war, 12 of which hit, sinking several ships and damaging the petroleum storage facilities at Karachi.

And exocet has a ample amounts of kills.
3 ships in the falklands, and in the middle east, tankers and the Stark!

Dreadnought

She may not be the last LST to take such a beating, Something tells me that USS Boulder's future may be very simular in time to come.

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Stitch

That musta been a 2000-lbs. GBU-31(V)3/B.

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JA Boomer

Your going to take out Russian bombers with TacToms and JDAM's Talk about the hard way to go about things

KRON1

I would be rather scared of a Klub coming out of the water and going supersonic before you have time to engage. The Yakhont profile is pretty scary too. I don't really know how effective all those supersonic maneuvers would be, but it must be harder to hit than a subsonic cruise missile.

As for all those who quote JDAM, try dropping some of those on upgraded Russian ships and you will find how futile that is. That navalized TOR system is just amazing.

Loke

If Supersonic is the way to go, why has the west instead decided to go for sub-sonic sea-skimming stealthy missiles?

I suggest the following read:

Information Dissemination: The Basics of Naval Weapon Technology

The Klubs seems to also have technical problems:

Information Dissemination: A New Most Over Rated Anti-Ship Missile Contender

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jlvfr

I remember that one, from playing the old Harpoon game. What a nightmare...