Some of the Ex Soviet Navy

Sandman · 12-07-2007, 20:54 PM

More google earth fun.
Just east of Finland, in the Murmansk area, many smaller bases which once ported the massive Northern Fleet have many hulks rusting on the bottom dockside. Reference the lat long and look for yourself the carnage, this is only one base and all have hulks rusting and sinking dockside. I don't think the US Navy would do this, nor would the tree huggers allow it either in the US. The problem is that many of these hulks still have nuclear fuel on board, much to the consternation of northern Europe.

SnowLeopard · 01-02-2008, 10:15 AM

WE-ll........ it's not a great surprise.

Remember the November boat on the way to the scrappers that sank a few years back? Took all but one of the caretaker crew to the bottom with it.

It was in the same kind of perdicament that you are describing here. Old boat, out of service, but still with the fuel on board.

But that was the Cold War. Give confusing numbers to how many boats one had by leaving them in such a state.

Besides, it gets a little bit darker than that. Those ships may just be the tip of the iceberg. The Soviet Union was rather known, afterwards anyhow, for dumping reactors, radioactive material, whole submarines at sea. The Kara Sea around Novaya Zemlya was a popular dumping ground.

Of course, the US isn't innocent, either. The first reactor for the USS Seawolf, SSN 575, was dumped at sea. One can find lots of dumping zones on the off shore charts though they are supposedly deactivated. We had the USS Triton, SSN 586, in mothballs decades before the end of the Cold War (although I assume it was defueled for that mothball period).

And those are just the nuclear ships (ie, USS Bennington, a carrier scrapped overseas, has its own interesting history).
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Dectilion · 01-02-2008, 16:05 PM

i looked around briton, only 11 frigate and destroyers in home waters, 4 more in drydock, and the bow section of a T45 sitting idle in Portsmouth. Also, in a naval yard just West of Edinburgh, it looks like Invincible is being scrapped, unless "extended readiness" involved having a large section of the flight deck removed.

Stan · 01-02-2008, 17:38 PM

I was sure invincible was parked in portsmouth

Dectilion · 01-03-2008, 00:50 AM

i think that must be ark royal or illustrious, if you go to google earth, go to Edinburgh, and follow the river to the north just west of Edinburgh. there are two bridges where the river gets thinner. Immediately past the brides there is a base on the north shore, with an Invincible class looking pretty rough

Firral · 01-03-2008, 03:32 AM

I hasten to calm you as all the dismissed submarines, are released by a first step from a nuclear reactor and nuclear fuel. Withdrawal occurs in special dock, it is a little to the east of your photo. Till the moment of withdrawal of a reactor, they is in a special fjord. After withdrawal, nuclear fuel is loaded into special storehouse deeply under the ground.
Gremikha small inhabited city. That you see that there there are cases of the old surface non-nuclear ships. To the east there are some submarines, free from their nuclear reactors. Here there is no nuclear infection, my colleague served there in current of 5 years.

SnowLeopard · 01-03-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dectilion

i think that must be ark royal or illustrious, if you go to google earth, go to Edinburgh, and follow the river to the north just west of Edinburgh. there are two bridges where the river gets thinner. Immediately past the brides there is a base on the north shore, with an Invincible class looking pretty rough

It's a big planet when looking down on it and at least a lat long might help. Found Rosyth Dockyard with some subs, found HMY Britnnia with a large modern warship, like a forward positioning merchant nearby, but can't find the area described above.
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SnowLeopard · 01-03-2008, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dectilion

i think that must be ark royal or illustrious, if you go to google earth, go to Edinburgh, and follow the river to the north just west of Edinburgh. there are two bridges where the river gets thinner. Immediately past the brides there is a base on the north shore, with an Invincible class looking pretty rough

It's a big planet when looking down on it and at least a lat long might help. Found Rosyth Dockyard with some subs, found HMY Britnnia with a large modern warship, like a forward positioning merchant nearby, but can't find the area described above.

As far as Portsmouth goes:

(top three, Portsmouth, next Leith, then Rosyth Dockyard)

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Dectilion · 01-04-2008, 00:02 AM

in a dock, in rosyth, immediately north of where that picture is

56 degrees, 1 minute 32 seconds North, 3 degrees, 26 minutes, 55.75 seconds West

Shuttlecat · 01-04-2008, 00:41 AM

Anyone know what carrier that is?

SnowLeopard · 01-04-2008, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dectilion

in a dock, in rosyth, immediately north of where that picture is

56 degrees, 1 minute 32 seconds North, 3 degrees, 26 minutes, 55.75 seconds West

TOUCHE!

Didn't even see that or at least recognize it till the 'pointer' was given.

Does rather look in poor shape, doesn't it?

Doesn't help that it is at the edge of good resolution, but that's Google's fault.
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VarSity · 01-04-2008, 08:14 AM

Isnt that waiting to be re surfaced? Hence it looking in such bad shape?

jeffpayne56 · 01-04-2008, 16:47 PM

invincible

jeffpayne56 · 01-05-2008, 18:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dectilion

i think that must be ark royal or illustrious, if you go to google earth, go to Edinburgh, and follow the river to the north just west of Edinburgh. there are two bridges where the river gets thinner. Immediately past the brides there is a base on the north shore, with an Invincible class looking pretty rough

Rosyth dock ark royal in major refit

jeffpayne56 · 01-05-2008, 18:52 PM

deck covered with tents and covers to make work able to be done 24/7 in all weathers, it was the final stages of a 2 year refit

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Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	i looked around briton, only 11 frigate and destroyers in home waters, 4 more in drydock, and the bow section of a T45 sitting idle in Portsmouth. Also, in a naval yard just West of Edinburgh, it looks like Invincible is being scrapped, unless "extended readiness" involved having a large section of the flight deck removed. __________________ ROAD WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Firral *Military Professional* Join Date: 03-11-06 Location: The Kola peninsula, Russia Posts: 336 Country:	I hasten to calm you as all the dismissed submarines, are released by a first step from a nuclear reactor and nuclear fuel. Withdrawal occurs in special dock, it is a little to the east of your photo. Till the moment of withdrawal of a reactor, they is in a special fjord. After withdrawal, nuclear fuel is loaded into special storehouse deeply under the ground. Gremikha small inhabited city. That you see that there there are cases of the old surface non-nuclear ships. To the east there are some submarines, free from their nuclear reactors. Here there is no nuclear infection, my colleague served there in current of 5 years. __________________

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jeffpayne56 *Military Professional* Join Date: 12-03-06 Location: Deal, Kent Posts: 116 Country:	invincible __________________ Can the last person to leave the UK please turn out the lights cheers Jeff

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SnowLeopard *Military Professional* Join Date: 07-18-06 Location: Texas Posts: 714	WE-ll........ it's not a great surprise. Remember the November boat on the way to the scrappers that sank a few years back? Took all but one of the caretaker crew to the bottom with it. It was in the same kind of perdicament that you are describing here. Old boat, out of service, but still with the fuel on board. But that was the Cold War. Give confusing numbers to how many boats one had by leaving them in such a state. Besides, it gets a little bit darker than that. Those ships may just be the tip of the iceberg. The Soviet Union was rather known, afterwards anyhow, for dumping reactors, radioactive material, whole submarines at sea. The Kara Sea around Novaya Zemlya was a popular dumping ground. Of course, the US isn't innocent, either. The first reactor for the USS Seawolf, SSN 575, was dumped at sea. One can find lots of dumping zones on the off shore charts though they are supposedly deactivated. We had the USS Triton, SSN 586, in mothballs decades before the end of the Cold War (although I assume it was defueled for that mothball period). And those are just the nuclear ships (ie, USS Bennington, a carrier scrapped overseas, has its own interesting history). _________________________________________________ ("Highness, it will take them centuries to get to our level of technology. May you live a long live, Sir, but not that long!"--Planet Salesman, (w,stte), Dr. Who "The Ribos Operation")

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Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	i think that must be ark royal or illustrious, if you go to google earth, go to Edinburgh, and follow the river to the north just west of Edinburgh. there are two bridges where the river gets thinner. Immediately past the brides there is a base on the north shore, with an Invincible class looking pretty rough

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Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	in a dock, in rosyth, immediately north of where that picture is 56 degrees, 1 minute 32 seconds North, 3 degrees, 26 minutes, 55.75 seconds West

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Shuttlecat Regular Join Date: 07-16-07 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 80 Country:	Anyone know what carrier that is?

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VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Isnt that waiting to be re surfaced? Hence it looking in such bad shape?

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jeffpayne56 *Military Professional* Join Date: 12-03-06 Location: Deal, Kent Posts: 116 Country:	deck covered with tents and covers to make work able to be done 24/7 in all weathers, it was the final stages of a 2 year refit

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