Can a V-22 be used as a AEW - Page 2

braindead · 12-08-2007, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SteeljawScribe

Why would you want to? The reason the AEW Nimrod didn't work lay in a host of mechanical and other issues - two rotating masses at the end of a structural member? Trying to synchronize returns from two antennas? Just doesn't make economical sense, especially since AEW platforms are going to be expensive and complex beasts to begin with. As for side mounted/fixed antennas, you end up with blind spots that force you to a defined station profile, giving up some flexiblity in the process. I suppose if you are looking for a cheap(er) capability and are willing to accept some of the compromises as a result, a set-up like the Israeli Phalcon would work - but keep in mind that they have a very specifc environement and very specific need.

could you please this to an amateur ? What are the compromises of Phalcon and what is the specific enviroment of theirs ? Thanks in advance .

Tin Man · 12-09-2007, 19:18 PM

No AEW V-22 for the Royal Navy at least. I put my money on a MASC Merlin right now.

adroth · 12-13-2007, 15:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteeljawScribe

Why would you want to? The reason the AEW Nimrod didn't work lay in a host of mechanical and other issues - two rotating masses at the end of a structural member? Trying to synchronize returns from two antennas? Just doesn't make economical sense, especially since AEW platforms are going to be expensive and complex beasts to begin with. As for side mounted/fixed antennas, you end up with blind spots that force you to a defined station profile, giving up some flexiblity in the process. I suppose if you are looking for a cheap(er) capability and are willing to accept some of the compromises as a result, a set-up like the Israeli Phalcon would work - but keep in mind that they have a very specifc environement and very specific need.

Thanks Mr S.

Those were issues that I did not consider.

BenRoethig · 12-20-2007, 15:44 PM

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Originally Posted by avon1944

What sort of altitude and radar range do the helo AEW's have?
Considering the problems caused by the props on the V-22 AEW, I wonder if part of the problem could be solved AESA radar? Being able to transmit the signal between the propeller blades, etc.

Adrian

I don't know much about radar range (they aren't published) but the Sea King can only track about 20% of the targets the Hawkeye can.

Sea Toby · 01-04-2008, 15:07 PM

I'm sure a computer and software upgrade can increase the number of targets tracked using the same antenna on a Sea King or a new Merlin or NH-90 helicopter.

omon · 01-04-2008, 15:11 PM

what if engine tilt mechanism gets stock, with props in plane mode? i doubt it can land in plane mode, can it?

B.Smitty · 01-04-2008, 23:51 PM

How about developing a podded solution for carriage underwing on an F-35B?

The hardpoints would likely need a power upgrade. You'd have to have a robust datalink to send everything down to the carrier (e.g. the Israeli CAEW). There isn't a ton of volume. And endurance wouldn't be a strong suit.

But it could get higher, faster than any of the other options. And if it was completely podded, you could move it from aircraft to aircraft. A fighter could fly an AEW sortie, then turn around and fly a strike or CAS sortie. This would let you carry more multirole fighters, rather than having to dedicate deck spots to AEW-specific aircraft.

With a modern, AESA radar in each pod, and APG-81 covering the front hemisphere, it could perform as well or better than an AEW Merlin.

Pioneer · 04-04-2008, 10:03 AM

Found these on the web

Pic 1
Is a model of what Boeing is actively promoting as a version of the V-22 Osprey fitted with a palletized version of the Thales Cerberus mission system and the Searchwater airborne radar system under the project designation of TOSS.

Sea Toby · 04-12-2008, 11:59 AM

Boeing and the USMC are busy with the Boeing TOSS, and the British are busy with Boeing developing an AEW version of the Boeing TOSS. Should fit the bill for AEW. The Osprey should fit the bill for COD. Question remains whether they are affordable and more worthy than a Merlin or Sea King. Of course the Osprey would be larger.

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01-04-2008, 23:51 PM	#22 (permalink)
B.Smitty Contributor Join Date: 08-15-05 Location: Oak Hill, VA Posts: 548	How about developing a podded solution for carriage underwing on an F-35B? The hardpoints would likely need a power upgrade. You'd have to have a robust datalink to send everything down to the carrier (e.g. the Israeli CAEW). There isn't a ton of volume. And endurance wouldn't be a strong suit. But it could get higher, faster than any of the other options. And if it was completely podded, you could move it from aircraft to aircraft. A fighter could fly an AEW sortie, then turn around and fly a strike or CAS sortie. This would let you carry more multirole fighters, rather than having to dedicate deck spots to AEW-specific aircraft. With a modern, AESA radar in each pod, and APG-81 covering the front hemisphere, it could perform as well or better than an AEW Merlin.

04-04-2008, 10:03 AM	#23 (permalink)
Pioneer Regular Join Date: 03-29-08 Posts: 46	Found these on the web Pic 1 Is a model of what Boeing is actively promoting as a version of the V-22 Osprey fitted with a palletized version of the Thales Cerberus mission system and the Searchwater airborne radar system under the project designation of TOSS.

04-12-2008, 11:59 AM	#24 (permalink)
Sea Toby Patron Join Date: 01-24-06 Posts: 223	Boeing and the USMC are busy with the Boeing TOSS, and the British are busy with Boeing developing an AEW version of the Boeing TOSS. Should fit the bill for AEW. The Osprey should fit the bill for COD. Question remains whether they are affordable and more worthy than a Merlin or Sea King. Of course the Osprey would be larger.

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