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Old 01-03-2008, 11:47 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I had the distinct pleasure of being embarked on one in the North Atlantic.
Gut reaction then......

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Old 01-03-2008, 17:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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You Turks do do some innovative stuff; you don't just bash metal to other countries' design. I note that the Israeli supplied UAV will eventually be out fitted with Turkish optics.



The islands are indeed ideal ACV territory. But occasionally your military will need to lift a large amount of cargo so your navy will still need conventional cargo ships unless it takes up from trade what tonnage it needs in an emergency (back to all those ferries in my previous post!)
Do i have to remind you the size of our commercial navy?
You have right about the tonnage but that is coming second in priority our first one is to have the capability to transport the needed shock force in time every ware.
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Old 01-03-2008, 17:51 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Do i have to remind you the size of our commercial navy?
No of course not!

You are right getting there firstest with the mostest should be your military's prime concern.

Does anybody know though how much a Jason can lift?
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Old 01-03-2008, 20:25 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Does anybody know though how much a Jason can lift?
The official answer (at hellenicnavy.gr) is:

"300 troops plus vehicles; 4 LCVPs" (English page)
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"22 tanks, vehicles, jeeps and weapon systems depending on the mission, 287 men and one helicopter". (Greek page)
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Old 01-03-2008, 20:40 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:25 AM   #36 (permalink)
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How do you evalute the B-611 Yildirim project with respect to the 2002 MTCR International Code of Conduct Against Ballistic Missile Proliferation ?

Do you think it contradicts with the pledge Turkey has made ?
Moreover, do you think it is correct to display a weapon system, when you are claiming to develop the missile component of that system for your space program ?
The ICOC does not ban ballistic missiles, but rather it does call for restraint in their production, testing, and export. I believe that the Turkish Republic is fairly democratic enough to show this sort of restraint. Furthermore, the threats that Turkey faces also justify the profileration of Ballistic missiles, perhaps even Nuclear Warheads. Turkey will always try and maintain an upper hand in the region. And with Irans ambitious enrichment program together with their arsenal of Sahab Balistic missiles, I think Turkey can justify the profileration of Balistic Missiles. However, it must be underlined that this does not mean that Turkey intends to use such missiles in any war. They are just a good deterent. Don't forget the International Court of Justice, in the Legality of Nuclear Weapons case fell short of stating that Nuclear Ballistic Missiles were illegal. In fact, it held that their detterent nature, makes them useful for some nations and that hence, the court cannot declare them to be illegal under international customary law.
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Old 01-04-2008, 13:41 PM   #37 (permalink)
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The official answer (at hellenicnavy.gr) is:

"300 troops plus vehicles; 4 LCVPs" (English page)
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"22 tanks, vehicles, jeeps and weapon systems depending on the mission, 287 men and one helicopter". (Greek page)
Thank you! Even today I still forget to look for official websites. I notice there is a nice picture of a beached Jason on that website. {Nice how they have modified the site for Christmas too!}


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Old 01-06-2008, 00:40 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Thank you! Even today I still forget to look for official websites. I notice there is a nice picture of a beached Jason on that website. {Nice how they have modified the site for Christmas too!}




Always glad to be of service!


And I stand corrected. I somehow missed the clamshell doors in the bow
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Old 01-06-2008, 16:11 PM   #39 (permalink)
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And I stand corrected. I somehow missed the clamshell doors in the bow
Sorry myself! I wasn't trying to catch you out. In the Med' it is custom to berth ships stern to the key side. Logically if you've loaded from stern the quickest way to unload is through the bow! The presence of bow doors alone doesn't necessarily mean that a vessel can be beached.

{I wonder if an absence of tides in the Med has any affect on amphibious operations. Unlike Soviet designs Western vessels don't come equipped with a large kedge anchor.............}

Sorry again if you thought I was being rude.
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Old 01-07-2008, 00:57 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Sorry again if you thought I was being rude.
No not at all. It was all my mistake. Nothing for you to feel sorry about.
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I would suggest that our neigbour follows in our footsteps (Turkey's) and starts designing and building it own toys. It can go nowhere with the "junk" provided from others.
we do make our own toys Category:Defence companies of Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hellenic Defense Systems

One of the most advanced Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle of its own design and development. Made by greek company - Elvo



PEGASOS II, The evolution of the 100% Greek made UAV
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we do make our own toys Category:Defence companies of Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hellenic Defense Systems

One of the most advanced Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle of its own design and development. Made by greek company - Elvo



PEGASOS II, The evolution of the 100% Greek made UAV
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Supergreek can we please obtain more info regarding the Hellenic UAV's. Are they weaponized if so with what weapons, is there night vision etc
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Hello guys the fighting vehicle of the picture its called CENTURION .
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Supergreek can we please obtain more info regarding the Hellenic UAV's. Are they weaponized if so with what weapons, is there night vision etc

Pegasus-I & Pegasus-II are the products of a continuing effort from the Hellenic Airforce, in order to produce indegenous designed and manufactured UAVs.
Initiated in early 1980 from a team of HAF officers of KETA (Center for research &technology), nowadays has evolved into a fully operational system under the newly formed in 2002 "UAV Squadron" (SMEAF) based in 131SM.

First 12 units of Pegasus-I produced by EAB (Hellenic Aerospace Industry) were delivered to HAF between 1986 & 1987.
Pegasus-I capabilities:
-12 hours of autonomus flight.
-Operational altitude of 15000ft.
-Max speed 100Knots.
-Max range 150nm.
-Max operational payload 25Kgr.

In 1999 the expansion of the program towards the development of a MALE category UAV was approved.
In 2005 Pegasus-I units started being upgraded into Pegasus-II, and EAB started producing the new units of the improved UAV.
Pegasus-II capabilities:
-15 hours of autonomus flight.
-Operational altitude of 16000ft.
-Max speed 100Knots.
-Max range 150nm, which can be increased by increasing the power of the controller signal.
-Max operational payload 40Kgr (Max take-off weight is 250Kgr).
-Large percentage of Composites used

Pegasus-II units have already completed 300 flying hours.
The "Pegasus" development is ongoing.

other uavs-all made by eads 3 sigma

Alkyon- http://www.eads-3sigma.com/portal/pdf/alkyon.pdf

iris jet- http://www.eads-3sigma.com/portal/pdf/IRIS%20JET.pdf

iris prop- http://www.eads-3sigma.com/portal/pdf/IRIS%20PROP.pdf

perseas twin jet- http://www.eads-3sigma.com/portal/pd...TWIN%20JET.pdf

perseas single jet- http://www.eads-3sigma.com/portal/pd...NGLE%20JET.pdf

nearchos- http://www.eads-3sigma.com/portal/pdf/Nearchos.pdf

and thats it

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Does the Hellenic Airforce have any systems similar to the Predator or the Turkish TIHA?
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