Thread: Hellenic Navy

As we are amongst the Greeks does anybody know how much a Jason class LST can lift?

Further to my last post, do the Jason's ever get beached?

Originally Posted by rocket-dog

Further to my last post, do the Jason's ever get beached?

Your thinking of a different type of LST, like the USS Newport LST-1179 class.(spit)

The Jason class doesn't beach.

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

Your thinking of a different type of LST, like the USS Newport LST-1179 class.(spit)

The Jason class doesn't beach.

Thanks! I was specifically asking about Jason's. I suppose with plenty of shallow harbours in the Greek archipelago there is no need to beach (you only have to look at the myriad of ferry routes covered by vessels of similar dimensions to the Jason's.) I just wondered if they were designed to be used in similar fashion to traditional LST's (or the British RFA Knight class.)

Why are you spitting at the Newport's?

Thanks again!

I would suggest that our neigbour follows in our footsteps (Turkey's) and starts designing and building it own toys. It can go nowhere with the "junk" provided from others.

Originally Posted by Khan_Han

I would suggest that our neigbour follows in our footsteps (Turkey's) and starts designing and building it own toys. It can go nowhere with the "junk" provided from others.

Thank you for the info but i must inform you that our future strategy is focused not to LST but in hovercraft type vessels.

Originally Posted by Khan_Han

I would suggest that our neigbour follows in our footsteps (Turkey's) and starts designing and building it own toys. It can go nowhere with the "junk" provided from others.

You Turks do do some innovative stuff; you don't just bash metal to other countries' design. I note that the Israeli supplied UAV will eventually be out fitted with Turkish optics.

Originally Posted by antiochos

Thank you for the info but i must inform you that our future strategy is focused not to LST but in hovercraft type vessels.

The islands are indeed ideal ACV territory. But occasionally your military will need to lift a large amount of cargo so your navy will still need conventional cargo ships unless it takes up from trade what tonnage it needs in an emergency (back to all those ferries in my previous post!)

Originally Posted by rocket-dog

You Turks do do some innovative stuff; you don't just bash metal to other countries' design. I note that the Israeli supplied UAV will eventually be out fitted with Turkish optics

Yes spot on, rocket-dog we do quite a bit of R&D. As, our economy improves so too does our indegenous projects.

I Just wanted to add to your information regarding our Heron UAV purchase from Israel. It is correct we are using our own optics such as the ASEL Flir 300T, but I would like to inform you that this acquisition is only a stop gate solution until the Turkish UAV TIHA enters into service in 2010.

The TIHA will be based on the US made MQ-1 Predator but be much larger with a larger payload and service ceiling. It will also carry laser-guided anti-tank missiles, inter alia. It will also be used to guide Turkish Balistic Missiles and Artilery units etc via datalinks.

Originally Posted by rocket-dog

Why are you spitting at the Newport's?

I had the distinct pleasure of being embarked on one in the North Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Khan_Han

...It will also be used to guide Turkish Balistic Missiles and Artilery units etc via datalinks.

Turkey has signed and subscribed to the 2002 MTCR International Code of Conduct Against Ballistic Missile Proliferation. Although it is non-binding, Turkey has pledged to

"b) To curb and prevent the proliferation of Ballistic Missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, both at a global and regional level, through multilateral,bilateral and national endeavours;
c) To exercise maximum possible restraint in the development, testing and deployment of Ballistic Missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, including, where possible, to reduce national holdings of such missiles, in the interest of global and regional peace and security;"

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/centers/...t_Missiles.pdf

Thus, under reasonable expectations, Turkey would be expected to honor its pledge and NOT develop balistic missiles. However, at the time of its signing, Turkey had already begun the cooperation to develop a BM system with China. In my opinion, sadly to say, the recently revealed B-611 Yildirim SRBM system violates this pledge.

Originally Posted by kompikos

What's your opinion on the Hellenic (Greek) Navy compared to other Navies in the world? How would you classify it? Here is a link to get you started of you know nothing about it :

Hellenic Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the face of it, it looks like it could be okay ........ depending on what enemy it is formed for, what it's principle purpose is for, does it serve the nation in war, peace, and emergency (ie, natural disaster)?

Given that the ships come from so many countries including one that doesn't use the metric system, however, it's logistics system, particularly spare parts, must be a miracleous creation of order ........................... or a nightmare that drives one to insanity.
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Originally Posted by Ucar

Turkey has signed and subscribed to the 2002 MTCR International Code of Conduct Against Ballistic Missile Proliferation. Although it is non-binding, Turkey has pledged to

"b) To curb and prevent the proliferation of Ballistic Missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, both at a global and regional level, through multilateral,bilateral and national endeavours;
c) To exercise maximum possible restraint in the development, testing and deployment of Ballistic Missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, including, where possible, to reduce national holdings of such missiles, in the interest of global and regional peace and security;"

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/centers/...t_Missiles.pdf

Thus, under reasonable expectations, Turkey would be expected to honor its pledge and NOT develop balistic missiles. However, at the time of its signing, Turkey had already begun the cooperation to develop a BM system with China. In my opinion, sadly to say, the recently revealed B-611 Yildirim SRBM system violates this pledge.

Thanks Ucar for the insight. Yes, Turkey is a party to the aforementioned treaty, however, Turkey's Ballistic Missiles inventory is for its space program.
Furthermore, because the TIHA has the ability to guide Ballisitic missiles it does not mean that Turkey will use such ability. It may be used for increasing the export potential of the platform to countries such as Pakistan.