Dectilion

you need to take that with a grain of salt, those statistics are two(three, sorry) years out of date, and include all small patrol craft and boats, for example, it says the UK has 164 combat vessels, but only about 60 of those could operate in open water, and many of those were fleet tankers and replenishment ships.

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rocket-dog

As we are amongst the Greeks does anybody know how much a Jason class LST can lift?

rocket-dog

Further to my last post, do the Jason's ever get beached?

Gun Grape

Your thinking of a different type of LST, like the USS Newport LST-1179 class.(spit)

The Jason class doesn't beach.

rocket-dog

Thanks! I was specifically asking about Jason's. I suppose with plenty of shallow harbours in the Greek archipelago there is no need to beach (you only have to look at the myriad of ferry routes covered by vessels of similar dimensions to the Jason's.) I just wondered if they were designed to be used in similar fashion to traditional LST's (or the British RFA Knight class.)

Why are you spitting at the Newport's?

Thanks again!

Khan_Han

I would suggest that our neigbour follows in our footsteps (Turkey's) and starts designing and building it own toys. It can go nowhere with the "junk" provided from others.

antiochos

Thank you for the info but i must inform you that our future strategy is focused not to LST but in hovercraft type vessels.

rocket-dog

You Turks do do some innovative stuff; you don't just bash metal to other countries' design. I note that the Israeli supplied UAV will eventually be out fitted with Turkish optics.

The islands are indeed ideal ACV territory. But occasionally your military will need to lift a large amount of cargo so your navy will still need conventional cargo ships unless it takes up from trade what tonnage it needs in an emergency (back to all those ferries in my previous post!)

Khan_Han

Yes spot on, rocket-dog we do quite a bit of R&D. As, our economy improves so too does our indegenous projects.

I Just wanted to add to your information regarding our Heron UAV purchase from Israel. It is correct we are using our own optics such as the ASEL Flir 300T, but I would like to inform you that this acquisition is only a stop gate solution until the Turkish UAV TIHA enters into service in 2010.

The TIHA will be based on the US made MQ-1 Predator but be much larger with a larger payload and service ceiling. It will also carry laser-guided anti-tank missiles, inter alia. It will also be used to guide Turkish Balistic Missiles and Artilery units etc via datalinks.

Gun Grape

I had the distinct pleasure of being embarked on one in the North Atlantic.

Ucar

Turkey has signed and subscribed to the 2002 MTCR International Code of Conduct Against Ballistic Missile Proliferation. Although it is non-binding, Turkey has pledged to

"b) To curb and prevent the proliferation of Ballistic Missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, both at a global and regional level, through multilateral,bilateral and national endeavours;
c) To exercise maximum possible restraint in the development, testing and deployment of Ballistic Missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, including, where possible, to reduce national holdings of such missiles, in the interest of global and regional peace and security;"

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/centers/...t_Missiles.pdf

Thus, under reasonable expectations, Turkey would be expected to honor its pledge and NOT develop balistic missiles. However, at the time of its signing, Turkey had already begun the cooperation to develop a BM system with China. In my opinion, sadly to say, the recently revealed B-611 Yildirim SRBM system violates this pledge.

gunnut

Was it the rolling or the pitching that did it?

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SnowLeopard

On the face of it, it looks like it could be okay ........ depending on what enemy it is formed for, what it's principle purpose is for, does it serve the nation in war, peace, and emergency (ie, natural disaster)?

Given that the ships come from so many countries including one that doesn't use the metric system, however, it's logistics system, particularly spare parts, must be a miracleous creation of order ........................... or a nightmare that drives one to insanity.
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Khan_Han

Thanks Ucar for the insight. Yes, Turkey is a party to the aforementioned treaty, however, Turkey's Ballistic Missiles inventory is for its space program.
Furthermore, because the TIHA has the ability to guide Ballisitic missiles it does not mean that Turkey will use such ability. It may be used for increasing the export potential of the platform to countries such as Pakistan.

Ucar

How do you evalute the B-611 Yildirim project with respect to the 2002 MTCR International Code of Conduct Against Ballistic Missile Proliferation ?

Do you think it contradicts with the pledge Turkey has made ?
Moreover, do you think it is correct to display a weapon system, when you are claiming to develop the missile component of that system for your space program ?