rickusn

All right so no one is willing to discuss the USN and USMC then how about the next great maritime power China:

PLAN CV aspirations confirmed?

Sailing to a PLAN
2005 was the year of growth and modernisation for the Chinese Navy

By Prasun K. Sengupta
www.forceindia.net
March 06

According to a detailed roadmap prepared by the Chinese Communist Party's Central Committee and the State Council in 1999, the People's Liberation Army's Navy (PLAN) will have gone through a complete force modernisation overhaul by the year 2050. The first phase of this roadmap was already achieved by 2000, during which period the PLAN gained control over the Yellow Sea, the East China Sea and the South China Sea. The three seas are all located within the ‘first island chain' of the Pacific Ocean, including The Philippines and Japan's Ryukyu Islands. The second phase of the roadmap will be completed between 2020 and 2025, by which time the PLAN will have established control over waterways within the ‘second island chain' including the Japan Sea, the Philippines Sea and Indonesia Sea, covering Japan's Kurile and Hokkaido Islands, and Marianas and Palau Islands in the south Pacific. The third phase will be completed by 2050, during which time Mainland China will have established its ocean fleet operating in areas as far as Guam and The Maldives in the ‘third island chain'.

Naval Aviation

The PLAN's Shanghai Research Institute has been spearheading its plans for acquiring a fleet of aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships (LPD)
LPDs. In 1999 the Chinese Communist Party's Central Committee and the State Council had earmarked Yuan250 million for the design and construction of two LPDs, to be completed by 2009.

The PLAN's interest in aircraft carriers entered an active phase in 2005, and a PLAN delegation visited Russia 's MAKS 2005 aerospace exhibition in Zhukovsky to carefully study all the necessary technologies. A detailed technical presentation by the Sukhoi Aircraft Corp of the Su-33 and Su-33KUB shipborne combat aircraft was specially arranged for the visiting Chinese PLAN delegation, including a late-evening Su-33KUB demonstration flight during the exhibition. The Su27KUB was especially flown in to Zhukovsky for half-a-day from Saki , Ukraine, where it is currently being flight-tested. In early August, just prior to the MAKS exhibition, a PLAN delegation visited St Petersburg, where it listened to detailed technical presentations by representatives of the Nevskoye warship design bureau (PKB), the Russian designer of aircraft carriers, as well as to other companies cooperating with Nevskoye PKB. The visiting delegation also examined aircraft carrier-related equipment, including automatic landing systems and aircraft arresting devices. The delegation next visited the Ukrainian shipyard in Nikolayev, which has built all Soviet aircraft carriers to date. Sukhoi Aircraft Corp also submitted a three-stage proposal with various dates of delivery for the Su-33s and Su-33KUBs.

Going in parallel are efforts to make the 67,500-tonne Kuznetsov-class multi-role aircraft carrier Varyag, currently being refurbished in Dalian, seaworthy within a five-year period. By December, the PLAN had successfully installed an internal air conditioning system along with a reverse osmosis system for recycling sea water. These systems will later be integrated with a COGAG propulsion system that will be acquired from Ukraine 's Zorya Mashproekt Scientific and Production Enterprise.

Officer of Engineers

Still NO ENGINES for the VARYAG.

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Blademaster

That's cuz everyone knows that USN is the big whoopass of all and no one even come close to them.

-{SpoonmaN}-

Man I hate puns.
Anyway, I don't see the PLA-N sorting out many of their woes to a satisfactory level any time soon, right now they have malfunctioning submarines, inadequate air defence, as OOE pointed out the closest thing to a carrier they have lacks propulsion, insufficient amphibious warfare capability since the biggest external role of the PLA is to invade Taiwan if they act up. The entire PLA is having these problems.
In short, they're in a lot of trouble and they'll have to wait until the country gets a lot richer before they can really become a Military Super-Power.
And what good is a carrier if they dont have the air-defence Destroyers and anti-submarine Frigates to protect it?

Captain Drunk

Are these the Chinese Supercarriers?





The bow looks like USS Wasp

HistoricalDavid

The first one has a photoshopped carrier and a wonky missile.

The second looks absolutely nothing like a Wasp. It just looks exactly like a Nimitz's bow, except with a Mandarin banner overhead.

Notice how the white crane's support appears to slot in between the radar. What a poor, poor Photoshopper.

I think OoE once said, 'Photoshop is China's largest arms manufacturer'!

Don't bet on it any time soon. A single semi-capable carrier like a Varyag is not going turn them into a maritime power, regardless.

indianguy4u

Rickusn, Force Mag isnt a good enough & authetic source for any news. The said publication has disputes with BRF & ACIG. link to BRF

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tphuang

I don't know if force mag is normally authentic, but the stuff mentionned in the article seems to be fairly accurate from other articles.

China's GDP is probably 4th in the world after the recent 2004 readjustment+10% growth in 2005. GDP in PPP is 2nd in the world behind USA. It's rich enough.

amphibious warfare situation is improving with the recent induction of 072III and the 071 LPD that is currently under construction.

by the time the carrier is ready for operation sometimes next decade, there should be plenty of air defense destroyers following the lines of 052C. ASW is still uncertain.

gunnut

Yeah but China also has a huge overhead to pay for. A huge GDP doesn't automatically translate into a flush coffer for the military.

A single carrier does not a superpower make. The Royal Navy will have 2 60kt carriers along with Type 45 escorts ready in the next 10 years. Even then it won't be a super power. Merely a partial global force.

PLAN with the addition of a carrier group and amphibious group would be at most Rank 3 or Rank 4. It would still take a lot of mondernisation and training to reach Rank 2.

Francois

That article just confirms the theory of China expansionist and hegemonist policy.

-{SpoonmaN}-

Good system. Wouldn't Spain and Italy fit into Category 3 as well? They have their own Light carriers for sea control, with escorts and I believe a reasonable support capability. At the very least they beat our Navy.
And out of Curiosity, where do people think the USSR Navy ranked? To me it's hard to call beause they had such a purpose-built Force, divided between killing American carriers, protecting their Submarine 'bastions' and protecting their territorial waters. They also had to divide between three Oceans and two Seas. Anyway what do you lot reckon?

TopHatter

IMHO, I'd say Rank 1, though not to the same degree that the United States was able to project power, i.e. a dozen or so carrier battlegroups plus massive amphib assets.

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-{SpoonmaN}-

Yeah I guess people forget that in the case of the USN, it's not just technical and tactical domiance; They've got the numbers on everyone too.

highsea

That's the Ronald Reagan at Newport News Shipyard.

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Jay

The letterings on the 2nd pic is a big giveaway. I guess none of us here read Mandarin, may be it reads Ronald Regan ?

If not, Colonel has one more pic for his gallery

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