New Canadian Arctic Patrol Ships. - Page 2

JMH · 09-23-2007, 11:17 AM

If Canada plans on competing with Russia for control of the North Pole and the Northwest Passage they will need something that is more substantial than patrol vessels. In addition to the patrol vessels Canada should build nuclear powered attack submarines.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-23-2007, 13:07 PM

I will wait until there is a true NW Passage. Until that happens, this is all smoke and mirrors.

BenRoethig · 09-23-2007, 13:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JMH

If Canada plans on competing with Russia for control of the North Pole and the Northwest Passage they will need something that is more substantial than patrol vessels. In addition to the patrol vessels Canada should build nuclear powered attack submarines.

I think they're more concerned with Denmark.

JMH · 09-23-2007, 17:39 PM

Denmark is not much of a threat to Canada, even if they want the North Pole, because Denmark is vulnerable to pressure from the USA. Russia really does not care about what Canada or the USA wants to do with the North Pole, they have already sent a Submarine to the North Pole to place a rubber flag on the ocean floor in a symbolic operation to claim the North Pole as Russian territory.

ekiqa · 09-25-2007, 23:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

I will wait until there is a true NW Passage. Until that happens, this is all smoke and mirrors.

You're about 2 months behind the times.

The NW Passage has been ice-free for the first time since before the last ice-age.

Canada's problem, is that no-one, not the least the US, recognizes it as Canadian waters, but believe it to be international.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-26-2007, 00:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ekiqa

You're about 2 months behind the times.

Yeah, who cares? It still going to be non-navigational for 9 months of the year.

Sea Toby · 01-08-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ekiqa

You're about 2 months behind the times.

The NW Passage has been ice-free for the first time since before the last ice-age.

Canada's problem, is that no-one, not the least the US, recognizes it as Canadian waters, but believe it to be international.

Up until the new EEZs were recognized by the UN, a nation's territory was only 3 miles off the coast. Anything beyond 3 miles was/is considered international waters. While a ship can still sail beyond 3 miles off the coast, the ships can't take any resources today. Nations have economic rights now up to 200 miles off the coast. This is a huge difference considering oil and fishing rights, not to mention legal ramifications of oil spills and salvage.

Most nations are building ocean patrol vessels to watch over their economic zones to defend their economic rights, if not their territories. Most nations liked the 3 mile limit when it came to sailing around a nation, except when it came to their fishing stocks, and oil rights. Sweet compromise.

Dreadnought · 01-08-2008, 14:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ekiqa

You're about 2 months behind the times.

The NW Passage has been ice-free for the first time since before the last ice-age.

Canada's problem, is that no-one, not the least the US, recognizes it as Canadian waters, but believe it to be international.

IMO,
Thats not exactly a true statement. However the "leafs" are gracious enough to go along with USN groups traversing those waterways and from time time probably dont mind in the least because it adds to security and in small gains allows them to operate more freely in places they want to keep a presence in at all times. If it adds to their satisfaction that they dont have to patrol when a USN ship passes through they are getting a patrol for free.
Just an opinion.

Dreadnought · 01-08-2008, 14:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Toby

Up until the new EEZs were recognized by the UN, a nation's territory was only 3 miles off the coast. Anything beyond 3 miles was/is considered international waters. While a ship can still sail beyond 3 miles off the coast, the ships can't take any resources today. Nations have economic rights now up to 200 miles off the coast. This is a huge difference considering oil and fishing rights, not to mention legal ramifications of oil spills and salvage.

Most nations are building ocean patrol vessels to watch over their economic zones to defend their economic rights, if not their territories. Most nations liked the 3 mile limit when it came to sailing around a nation, except when it came to their fishing stocks, and oil rights. Sweet compromise.

Hey Toby, Long time.

BenRoethig · 01-08-2008, 15:51 PM

By they way, were there ever any conceptual drawings of these released?

Canmoore · 01-23-2008, 00:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ekiqa

You're about 2 months behind the times.

The NW Passage has been ice-free for the first time since before the last ice-age.

Canada's problem, is that no-one, not the least the US, recognizes it as Canadian waters, but believe it to be international.

Before the last Ice age? When Vikings were growing corn and hay on Greenland I am pretty sure the NWP was traversable.

Don't get your panties wet, yes you may be able to traverse it for a while, however for the majority of the year the NWP is non negotiable.

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