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rickusn · 06-30-2007, 17:31 PM

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Shamus · 06-30-2007, 21:31 PM

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This is really cool Rick,very interesting....thanks mucho

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wabpilot · 07-01-2007, 00:16 AM

Thanks Rick.

Stan · 07-01-2007, 09:20 AM

awesome thanks rick

VarSity · 07-02-2007, 06:52 AM

Very nice Rick. Thanks alot for that link :D

VarSity · 07-06-2007, 09:44 AM

Question: If the French are getting in on this, are they going to pay for half the R+D and the additional cost to fit this out for their needs?

Also why are they getting the middle of the three? Wouldn't it make more sense to build the 2 that are identical first?

pdf27 · 07-06-2007, 11:53 AM

The French are paying a fixed fee for the design (IIRC £100 million) plus the cost of any additional design work for their needs. As for the middle carrier, they need it more than we do and IIRC current plans mean that their build schedule doesn't impact on ours anyway.

gunnut · 07-06-2007, 16:00 PM

Does the fact that French is also ordering one, therefore boosting the build number by 50%, lower the per unit cost?

pdf27 · 07-08-2007, 15:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Does the fact that French is also ordering one, therefore boosting the build number by 50%, lower the per unit cost?

That's the reason for the latest round of delays in the programme - the government are trying to force VT and BAE Systems to drop a few hundred million pounds from the price on the grounds that an extra carrier is being ordered. Given the current build strategy to build all the UK sections in the UK and French sections in France, they aren't having a great deal of success. IMHO the only price break will come from long lead time big ticket items like engines, rather than the ship construction itself.

Dectilion · 07-16-2007, 16:01 PM

the chances of an order being made this week are starting ot look very good, the times is reporting that Brown will announce a 30 billion spending programme for the military this week, including orders for CVF, the fact that this article is linked to from the RN website, coupled with the dim report in the same article the T45 units 7 and 8 are permanently canceled makes it look like this could very well be genuine.

(note: do note mistake this post for optimism, im expecting a CVF order about as much as im expecting headless chickens piloting Typhoons.

pdf27 · 07-16-2007, 16:58 PM

Brown or Browne - Swiss Tony our part-time Defence minister or the **** of a scotsman we currently have as Prime Minister? I can just about believe that Gordon Brown will order CV(F) on the grounds that it would be built in his constituency. Des Browne however will probably try to cancel it just to get a gold star from the treasury for having a smaller budget request - so far as I can tell he doesn't give a stuff for the armed services.

Dectilion · 07-16-2007, 18:22 PM

Brown as in Brown

VarSity · 07-17-2007, 13:34 PM

Fingers crossed on this order. £30bn seems alot, what is coming out of this? The CVF's + new armoured vehicles... what else?

Dectilion · 07-17-2007, 14:28 PM

it says the money will also cover the full cost of the T-45's, and armoured vehicles, id also imagine it covers a large number of Typhoon's, and numerous mundane requirements

VarSity · 07-17-2007, 15:33 PM

seems all 3 services could get what they need then.

Im a big fan of the type 45's... They look like sumint out of a sci fi show :D

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pdf27 Contributor Join Date: 06-05-06 Location: UK Posts: 538 Country:	The French are paying a fixed fee for the design (IIRC £100 million) plus the cost of any additional design work for their needs. As for the middle carrier, they need it more than we do and IIRC current plans mean that their build schedule doesn't impact on ours anyway. __________________ Rule 1: Never trust a Frenchman Rule 2: Treat all members of the press as French

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VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Very nice Rick. Thanks alot for that link :D

07-06-2007, 09:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Question: If the French are getting in on this, are they going to pay for half the R+D and the additional cost to fit this out for their needs? Also why are they getting the middle of the three? Wouldn't it make more sense to build the 2 that are identical first?

07-16-2007, 16:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	the chances of an order being made this week are starting ot look very good, the times is reporting that Brown will announce a 30 billion spending programme for the military this week, including orders for CVF, the fact that this article is linked to from the RN website, coupled with the dim report in the same article the T45 units 7 and 8 are permanently canceled makes it look like this could very well be genuine. (note: do note mistake this post for optimism, im expecting a CVF order about as much as im expecting headless chickens piloting Typhoons.

07-16-2007, 16:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
pdf27 Contributor Join Date: 06-05-06 Location: UK Posts: 538 Country:	Brown or Browne - Swiss Tony our part-time Defence minister or the **** of a scotsman we currently have as Prime Minister? I can just about believe that Gordon Brown will order CV(F) on the grounds that it would be built in his constituency. Des Browne however will probably try to cancel it just to get a gold star from the treasury for having a smaller budget request - so far as I can tell he doesn't give a stuff for the armed services.

07-16-2007, 18:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	Brown as in Brown

07-17-2007, 13:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Fingers crossed on this order. £30bn seems alot, what is coming out of this? The CVF's + new armoured vehicles... what else?

07-17-2007, 14:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	it says the money will also cover the full cost of the T-45's, and armoured vehicles, id also imagine it covers a large number of Typhoon's, and numerous mundane requirements

07-17-2007, 15:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	seems all 3 services could get what they need then. Im a big fan of the type 45's... They look like sumint out of a sci fi show :D

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