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Master Chief · 07-21-2007, 10:07 AM

Its the same load of crap with every ship. They always manage to leave a few things out. Watch and see the will have 3 different batches of this ship also. Just like the type 22's and the 42's. I know the cost is high, but if you do it right the first time, you won't have to up-grade two times! Add a SSM, to this batch. Then add ASW to this batch. Ends up costing more the if they would have put the money up in the begining.

VarSity · 07-25-2007, 04:28 AM

More tabloid news about the CVF getting the nod from brown in the next day or 2. Fingers crossed peeps!!!

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 04:31 AM

hoping for an announcement at question time

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 05:54 AM

the conservatives just posted a short piece on their website concerning the carriers

VarSity · 07-25-2007, 06:18 AM

Im interested to see if it mentions the French are getting one aswell.

Just seems it would be a winner to say "They are so good even the French are begging for one".

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 06:35 AM

well a French order isnt expected until next spring, and Sarkozy is going to Libya, so a French announcement is extremely unlikely

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 06:45 AM

right now questions on northern Ireland are being asked. at the top of the hour we will have PMQ, then Brwon will make a statement on terrorism, then Browne will make a statement on the carriers. They should be announced within the hour

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 08:52 AM

Des Browne announced 110 billion pounds of spending on defense procurement from 2008-2011. The two 65000 tonne carriers have been confirmed, 2014 and 2016 have been given as in service dates, the expected names have been confirmed.

All three naval based will be sustained, though some reductions in personnel are necessary. Browne also confirmed the merger of BAE and VT over ship building

Stan · 07-25-2007, 08:55 AM

at last. 110billion in spending on procurement. thats a fair bit. Can we buy some other ships to go with the cvf now or will they sail solo

I hope thats 110 only on procurement though. Our defence butget is about that over 3 years so this had better be extra money. and if it is that would mean for the next 3 years our defence budget is around 60billion a year. where the heck they getting this money from?

VarSity · 07-25-2007, 08:59 AM

Would like to see them bump the Type 45 order back up. Anything said about a replament for the other escorts? Or even a batch of type 45;s with ship to ship and sea to ground capability would be nice.

We are not paying the yanks back for WW2 anymore so manybe thats where they got the cash? Also you can hardly say the UK is poor atm.

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 09:07 AM

the shadow defense minister expressed his regret that the carrier would be entering service at least 2 years after the expected 2012 in service date. Browne's response was that there was an expectation on the part of some people of an in service date. Basically pretending Labour had not made previous statements giving a 2012 in service date, and that this date had been arbitrarily discovered by the Conservatives. The shadow defense minister asked whether the last two T45's would be confirmed, the defense minister casually ignored this question, and we will now certainly be limited to six type 45's

VarSity · 07-25-2007, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dectilion

the defense minister casually ignored this question, and we will now certainly be limited to six type 45's

**** and balls!

How many escorts are they planning to have with each carrier? (when they put to sea)

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 09:13 AM

the carriers will be based at Portsmouth, thank Homer they wont be in Scotland, and Portsmouth is now safe for the time being

VarSity · 07-25-2007, 09:15 AM

Where is the funding coming from for the docks for these? Portsmouth dont have big enough docks

Dectilion · 07-25-2007, 09:26 AM

that question was asked, and guess what Browne did...

and Stan to respond to your post, we spend more like 230 billion over the period from 2008-2011, the 110 includes a slight increase in overall spending. THe naval proportion includes 14 billion over the carriers and 3.6 billion for the T45's

A direct question was just asked about T45's 7-8 he said he was commited to the 8 number given in 2004, but that orders would be incremental, i.e. there pretty much canceled, but he wants to do it quietly.

A question was also asked about where the future anti-submarine capacity would come from, and if we would have new surface combats. Browne basically said that this capacity would be fulfilled by submarines.

There was a question asked about a contingency to navalize Eurofighter if JSF failed Browne said their was a contingency, but failed to specify what it was. I gather that there is no genuine back up plan beyond one or two theoretical possibilities.

07-21-2007, 10:07 AM	#31 (permalink)
Master Chief *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-07-06 Location: USA Posts: 147 Country:	Its the same load of crap with every ship. They always manage to leave a few things out. Watch and see the will have 3 different batches of this ship also. Just like the type 22's and the 42's. I know the cost is high, but if you do it right the first time, you won't have to up-grade two times! Add a SSM, to this batch. Then add ASW to this batch. Ends up costing more the if they would have put the money up in the begining. __________________ "Peace through Power" Late Ronald Reagan

07-25-2007, 08:52 AM	#38 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	Des Browne announced 110 billion pounds of spending on defense procurement from 2008-2011. The two 65000 tonne carriers have been confirmed, 2014 and 2016 have been given as in service dates, the expected names have been confirmed. All three naval based will be sustained, though some reductions in personnel are necessary. Browne also confirmed the merger of BAE and VT over ship building Last edited by Dectilion : 07-25-2007 at 08:55 AM.

07-25-2007, 08:55 AM	#39 (permalink)
Stan Contributor Join Date: 07-11-06 Posts: 372 Country:	at last. 110billion in spending on procurement. thats a fair bit. Can we buy some other ships to go with the cvf now or will they sail solo I hope thats 110 only on procurement though. Our defence butget is about that over 3 years so this had better be extra money. and if it is that would mean for the next 3 years our defence budget is around 60billion a year. where the heck they getting this money from? Last edited by Stan : 07-25-2007 at 08:58 AM.

07-25-2007, 08:59 AM	#40 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Would like to see them bump the Type 45 order back up. Anything said about a replament for the other escorts? Or even a batch of type 45;s with ship to ship and sea to ground capability would be nice. We are not paying the yanks back for WW2 anymore so manybe thats where they got the cash? Also you can hardly say the UK is poor atm. Last edited by VarSity : 07-25-2007 at 09:01 AM.

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07-25-2007, 04:28 AM	#32 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	More tabloid news about the CVF getting the nod from brown in the next day or 2. Fingers crossed peeps!!!

07-25-2007, 04:31 AM	#33 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	hoping for an announcement at question time

07-25-2007, 05:54 AM	#34 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	the conservatives just posted a short piece on their website concerning the carriers

07-25-2007, 06:18 AM	#35 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Im interested to see if it mentions the French are getting one aswell. Just seems it would be a winner to say "They are so good even the French are begging for one".

07-25-2007, 06:35 AM	#36 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	well a French order isnt expected until next spring, and Sarkozy is going to Libya, so a French announcement is extremely unlikely

07-25-2007, 06:45 AM	#37 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	right now questions on northern Ireland are being asked. at the top of the hour we will have PMQ, then Brwon will make a statement on terrorism, then Browne will make a statement on the carriers. They should be announced within the hour

07-25-2007, 09:07 AM	#41 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	the shadow defense minister expressed his regret that the carrier would be entering service at least 2 years after the expected 2012 in service date. Browne's response was that there was an expectation on the part of some people of an in service date. Basically pretending Labour had not made previous statements giving a 2012 in service date, and that this date had been arbitrarily discovered by the Conservatives. The shadow defense minister asked whether the last two T45's would be confirmed, the defense minister casually ignored this question, and we will now certainly be limited to six type 45's

07-25-2007, 09:13 AM	#43 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	the carriers will be based at Portsmouth, thank Homer they wont be in Scotland, and Portsmouth is now safe for the time being

07-25-2007, 09:15 AM	#44 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 465 Country:	Where is the funding coming from for the docks for these? Portsmouth dont have big enough docks

07-25-2007, 09:26 AM	#45 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	that question was asked, and guess what Browne did... and Stan to respond to your post, we spend more like 230 billion over the period from 2008-2011, the 110 includes a slight increase in overall spending. THe naval proportion includes 14 billion over the carriers and 3.6 billion for the T45's A direct question was just asked about T45's 7-8 he said he was commited to the 8 number given in 2004, but that orders would be incremental, i.e. there pretty much canceled, but he wants to do it quietly. A question was also asked about where the future anti-submarine capacity would come from, and if we would have new surface combats. Browne basically said that this capacity would be fulfilled by submarines. There was a question asked about a contingency to navalize Eurofighter if JSF failed Browne said their was a contingency, but failed to specify what it was. I gather that there is no genuine back up plan beyond one or two theoretical possibilities.

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