Dectilion

alas all the services will get something, but not everything they need let alone want. Type 45 is already handicapped by the governments refusal to pay for anything other than air defence weapons, making it effectively useless in the short term, while the class will only have half as many ships as it is replacing! By the time the whole class is in service, we will have 23 escorts, and thats assuming that all T22 and T23 ships remain in service which in itself would be a miracle!

gunnut

What the hell is wrong with your government? Investment in the navy insures a more stable world for the British in the future. Just because you junk your military doesn't mean I won't attack you. It means I can pick on you without worries. And I don't have to pick on the home isles. I can pick on your oversea interests.

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Dectilion

umm its actually fairly simple, Labour = idiots
Successive governments have had to reduce the fleet size out of necessity, Labour tried to eliminate cv's in the 60's, it was only due to a loophole that we have anynow. But the fleet has finally hit a breaking point, its become far to unacceptable, the British shipbuilding industry has all but collapsed, and unless, we gain a competent government really soon the crumbling Royal navy will finally collapse.

dave angel

perhaps a fair share of the blame should go to the Navy, 17 years after the threat of massive air attacks on CVS groups disappears and the RN are still hammering on about the need for Type 45 Air Warfare Destroyers
at £1billion a pop while binning Sea Harrier.

HMS Ocean, a cheap and chearful LHD cost £200million and is being used here there and everywhere and is bloody useful in the kind of litoral ops we find ourselves in, HMS Daring at £1billion is fit for very little more than the West Indies Guard Ship.

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Dectilion

it wasnt RN's choice to "bin" sea harrier, while they wanted the T45 to be multipurpose, budget cuts remove the anti submarine and anti surface capability, while the MOD refused to fund modifying Tomahawk to be usable with T45.
And modern air defense destroyers are necessary. While there may not be an immediate threat, who knows what lies down the road. Another attack on the Falklands (however unlikely) would make T45 indispensable, while as far as we know we could be in WW3 in 15 years against an enemy with a very powerful air threat. If such an eventuality where to occur, you would be stating how stupid the RN where for NOT getting these ships

VarSity

I dont think there is anything wrong with the type 45 per say. Would be nice for it to have a ship to ship capability tho. Then again I can see (from a perspctive of someone with no Navy experiance) the logic in the thinking, type 45's defend, CVF f**k everyone up!

However what arethey gunna run from the CVF's if the F35 isnt ready till 2012?
And that means we wont have the carrier force that people have been saying was needed, since the Falklands... Thats going to be 30 years old in 2012!!!

Stupid Government.

You never know guys, PM Brown (pants) has this whole 'Britishness' thing he seems to like. Maybe he will stop raping the Navy. Cant get more British than the Royal

Dectilion

unfortunately in PMQ today Brown pretty much said hes not gonna put the money into fixing the navy. And not having F-35 until 2012 wont be a problem, the first cvf wont be commissioned until 2014 at the earliest.

Heres a pic of Daring setting off on sea trials

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/458854.jpg


absolutely gorgeous ship

gunnut

Do you think there will be a general purpose frigate to replace the 22s and 23s after the 45s are completed?

Dectilion

not right now, every frigate replacement scheme has pretty much been shot down. Even when a replacement is finally found, it will be at least 10 years before the first ship is commissioned, while the T22's are unlikely to survive this decade. We can only pray a successful project gets started soon, and that the government doesnt feel like selling off any more T23's, our only modern escort

VarSity

I was under the impression the type 45 CAN use use ship2ship and land attack missiles. Are they not modifying some French missiles to work from the launchers?

Isnt it the who 'build for, but not with' thing?

Also, play march of the empire when you look at that pikky. It just feels right

Dectilion

anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons where deleted from the ship on cost grounds. The french are modifying a land attack missile to work with their VLS system, but these probably wont be compatible with the British VLS even if the British government were willing to pay for it.

Dectilion

here the royal navys statement on the start of sea trials, complete with more pictures!!!


T45 News : Air Defence Destroyer (Type 45) : Future Ships : Surface Fleet : Operations and Support : Royal NavyT45 News : Air Defence Destroyer (Type 45) : Future Ships : Surface Fleet : Operations and Support : Royal Navy

Dectilion

here an excellent side shot:


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...sleyWild-3.jpghttp://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...sleyWild-3.jpg


this page has links to many more pics:


Inverclyde NowInverclyde Now

Stan

can any one tell me the typical time frame from now until daring is handed over.

what kind of things do they do?

Also will over nations in nato have a chance to look her over?

VarSity

Its about a year and a half of sea trials. Should be in service in 2009.

Im guessing NATO peeps will get 2 have a look around.