Royal Navy COMM/DECOM

rickusn · 01-09-2007, 21:51 PM

About 1:2 margin Commissioned vs decomissioned

http://www.publications.parliament.u...20.htm_spnew14

Royal Navy Ships
Daniel Kawczynski: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many ships for the Royal Navy his Department has (a) commissioned and (b) decommissioned in each year since 1997, broken down by type. [109251]

Mr. Ingram: The number of Royal Navy vessels introduced into service each year since 1997, broken down by class, is as follows:

Type of ship/Year Number of ships introduced into Service in Year
1997

Type 23 Frigate
2

Survey Ship
1

1998

Landing Platform Helicopter
1

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
2

Inshore Patrol Vessel
2

1999

Vanguard Class Nuclear Submarine
1

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
1

2000

Type 23 Frigate
1

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
2

2001

Type 23 Frigate
1

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
1

2002

Type 23 Frigate
1

8 Jan 2007 : Column 106W
Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
1

2003

Landing Platform Dock
1

River Class Patrol Vessel
3

Survey Ship
2

Auxiliary
2

2004

None

2005

Landing Platform Dock
1

2006

Landing Ship Dock (Auxiliary)
2

The number of Royal Navy vessels withdrawn from service each year since 1991, broken down by class, is as follows:

Type of ship/Year Number of ships withdrawn from Service in Year
1997

Type 22 Frigate
1

Hong Kong Patrol Vessel
3

Offshore Patrol Vessel
1

River Class Mine Sweeper
1

Auxiliary
1

Royal Yacht
1

1998

River Class Mine Hunter
4

1999

Type 42 Destroyer
1

Type 22 Frigate
3

2000

Type 22 Frigate
1

Hunt Class Mine Hunter
1

Auxiliary
2

2001

Landing Platform Dock
1

Type 22 Frigate
1

Hunt Class Mine Hunter
1

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
1

Survey Ship
2

2002

Landing Platform Dock
1

Type 22 Frigate
1

Offshore Patrol Vessel
1

Survey Ship
1

2003

Swiftsure Class Nuclear Submarine
1

Offshore Patrol Vessel
4

2004

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
1

Landing Ship Logistic
1

2005

Type 42 Destroyer
3

Type 23 Frigate
2

8 Jan 2007 : Column 107W
Hunt Class Mine Hunter
3

Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter
2

Offshore Patrol Vessel
1

Landing Ship Logistic
1

2006

Swiftsure Class Nuclear Submarine
2

Type 23 Frigate
1

Landing Ship Logistic
2

Auxiliary
1

PubFather · 01-12-2007, 11:55 AM

Thanks for the info Rick

glyn · 01-12-2007, 13:13 PM

The significance of the 1997 date is that is when New Labour became the government. IF the Tories win the next election they are going to have to spend serious amounts of money to rectify the many shortages of equipment and manpower. Should the Liberal Democrats win we can forget it altogether. We could be heading to Banana Republic status, and we haven't even got bananas.

PubFather · 01-12-2007, 19:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glyn

The significance of the 1997 date is that is when New Labour became the government. IF the Tories win the next election they are going to have to spend serious amounts of money to rectify the many shortages of equipment and manpower. Should the Liberal Democrats win we can forget it altogether. We could be heading to Banana Republic status, and we haven't even got bananas.

Glynn - do you genuinely think the Tories will reverse this? No chance. They will stick to Labour budgets for at least the first 2-3 years. Besides, look at the figures closely. De-comms only truly escalate from after 2001 - i.e not planned for. I don't believe the Tory's would have acted differently - there are few votes in defense these days.

Besides, I seem to be the only UK poster that remembers the Nott Report....

glyn · 01-13-2007, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PubFather

Glynn - do you genuinely think the Tories will reverse this? No chance. They will stick to Labour budgets for at least the first 2-3 years. Besides, look at the figures closely. De-comms only truly escalate from after 2001 - i.e not planned for. I don't believe the Tory's would have acted differently - there are few votes in defense these days.

Besides, I seem to be the only UK poster that remembers the Nott Report....

I did say IF the Tories get in they would have to spend serious money to reverse our military condition. Obviously it isn't going to happen overnight, and it depends what state the nations finances might be in. (Doesn't bear thinking about, does it?).
Incidentally, Sir John Nott is my near neighbour!

PubFather · 01-13-2007, 06:26 AM

Understood - I guess we will have to wait and see if Cameron's crew ever actually come up with some concrete policies....

BTW - interesting snippet about Sir John, I assumed he was dead!

glyn · 01-13-2007, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PubFather

Understood - I guess we will have to wait and see if Cameron's crew ever actually come up with some concrete policies....

BTW - interesting snippet about Sir John, I assumed he was dead!

I haven't seen him for a while, but his large estate is about half a mile from here with only two farms between us. He served with the Gurkhas, as I expect you know.

PubFather · 01-13-2007, 14:39 PM

I didnt know that, thanks again for the info! I was rather young when the Nott report came out, but I do remember my dad swearing about it...

rickusn · 01-15-2007, 18:26 PM

Three pages long. If You want me to post the text plaese ask.:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01142007...man.htm?page=3

Dectilion · 01-18-2007, 17:30 PM

i have to say i somewhat disagree with the above article, it blames cooperation with Europe for the navies demise, but i disagree.
Just look at the French navy, right now its about level(perhaps slightly better) than the royal navy. But by the middle of next decade they will have a new conventional aircraft carrier, and 21 brand new escorts (4 horizon, 17 FREMM) and 1/2 a dozen new nuclear subs.

Combined with the Charles de Gaulle, the two Mistral class units, and the 11 frigates of the La Fayette and Floreal classes (thought the latter may be paid off) this gives the French a strong respectable fleet by the middle of the next decade, while the UK will have the naval strength of a floating bucket

Dreadnought · 01-18-2007, 17:37 PM

The second Carrier will be conventionally powered not a Nuc like the Charles de Gaulle.

Dectilion · 01-18-2007, 17:39 PM

fixed, sry

01-09-2007, 21:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
rickusn *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-09-03 Posts: 1,317	Royal Navy COMM/DECOM About 1:2 margin Commissioned vs decomissioned http://www.publications.parliament.u...20.htm_spnew14 Royal Navy Ships Daniel Kawczynski: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many ships for the Royal Navy his Department has (a) commissioned and (b) decommissioned in each year since 1997, broken down by type. [109251] Mr. Ingram: The number of Royal Navy vessels introduced into service each year since 1997, broken down by class, is as follows: Type of ship/Year Number of ships introduced into Service in Year 1997 Type 23 Frigate 2 Survey Ship 1 1998 Landing Platform Helicopter 1 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 2 Inshore Patrol Vessel 2 1999 Vanguard Class Nuclear Submarine 1 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 1 2000 Type 23 Frigate 1 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 2 2001 Type 23 Frigate 1 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 1 2002 Type 23 Frigate 1 8 Jan 2007 : Column 106W Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 1 2003 Landing Platform Dock 1 River Class Patrol Vessel 3 Survey Ship 2 Auxiliary 2 2004 None 2005 Landing Platform Dock 1 2006 Landing Ship Dock (Auxiliary) 2 The number of Royal Navy vessels withdrawn from service each year since 1991, broken down by class, is as follows: Type of ship/Year Number of ships withdrawn from Service in Year 1997 Type 22 Frigate 1 Hong Kong Patrol Vessel 3 Offshore Patrol Vessel 1 River Class Mine Sweeper 1 Auxiliary 1 Royal Yacht 1 1998 River Class Mine Hunter 4 1999 Type 42 Destroyer 1 Type 22 Frigate 3 2000 Type 22 Frigate 1 Hunt Class Mine Hunter 1 Auxiliary 2 2001 Landing Platform Dock 1 Type 22 Frigate 1 Hunt Class Mine Hunter 1 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 1 Survey Ship 2 2002 Landing Platform Dock 1 Type 22 Frigate 1 Offshore Patrol Vessel 1 Survey Ship 1 2003 Swiftsure Class Nuclear Submarine 1 Offshore Patrol Vessel 4 2004 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 1 Landing Ship Logistic 1 2005 Type 42 Destroyer 3 Type 23 Frigate 2 8 Jan 2007 : Column 107W Hunt Class Mine Hunter 3 Sandown Class Single Role Mine Hunter 2 Offshore Patrol Vessel 1 Landing Ship Logistic 1 2006 Swiftsure Class Nuclear Submarine 2 Type 23 Frigate 1 Landing Ship Logistic 2 Auxiliary 1

01-12-2007, 11:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
PubFather *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-25-06 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,198 Country:	Thanks for the info Rick __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacessit - Scottish Motto "They that approve a private opinion, call it opinion; but they that dislike it, heresy; and yet heresy signifies no more than private opinion” Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan

01-12-2007, 13:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,538	The significance of the 1997 date is that is when New Labour became the government. IF the Tories win the next election they are going to have to spend serious amounts of money to rectify the many shortages of equipment and manpower. Should the Liberal Democrats win we can forget it altogether. We could be heading to Banana Republic status, and we haven't even got bananas. __________________ Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

01-15-2007, 18:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
rickusn *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-09-03 Posts: 1,317	A Brit view: Three pages long. If You want me to post the text plaese ask.: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01142007...man.htm?page=3

01-18-2007, 17:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	i have to say i somewhat disagree with the above article, it blames cooperation with Europe for the navies demise, but i disagree. Just look at the French navy, right now its about level(perhaps slightly better) than the royal navy. But by the middle of next decade they will have a new conventional aircraft carrier, and 21 brand new escorts (4 horizon, 17 FREMM) and 1/2 a dozen new nuclear subs. Combined with the Charles de Gaulle, the two Mistral class units, and the 11 frigates of the La Fayette and Floreal classes (thought the latter may be paid off) this gives the French a strong respectable fleet by the middle of the next decade, while the UK will have the naval strength of a floating bucket Last edited by Dectilion : 01-18-2007 at 17:39 PM.

01-13-2007, 06:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
PubFather *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-25-06 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,198 Country:	Understood - I guess we will have to wait and see if Cameron's crew ever actually come up with some concrete policies.... BTW - interesting snippet about Sir John, I assumed he was dead!

01-13-2007, 14:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
PubFather *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-25-06 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,198 Country:	I didnt know that, thanks again for the info! I was rather young when the Nott report came out, but I do remember my dad swearing about it...

01-18-2007, 17:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dreadnought *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-12-05 Posts: 5,323 Country:	The second Carrier will be conventionally powered not a Nuc like the Charles de Gaulle. __________________ Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

01-18-2007, 17:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dectilion Regular Join Date: 01-13-07 Posts: 137	fixed, sry

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