What is the top speed of a nuclear carrier? - Page 2

Dreadnought · 09-15-2006, 21:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Every little bit helps. Extra 10 knots or extra 30 knots can let your bombers carry that much more payload. Whenever possible, carrier always steams against the wind at top speed for launches.

Agreed payloads always factor and must be included in calcs for launch as well as other factors.This isint the Doolittle raid where we modify the bombers to suite the carrier we modify the carrier design at present to support the future generations fighter/bomber.

texasjohn · 09-15-2006, 22:52 PM

Ok. I am ignorant on this. What is a IICR launch?

Dreadnought · 09-15-2006, 23:01 PM

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Originally Posted by texasjohn

Ok. I am ignorant on this. What is a IICR launch?

Sorry Tex (IICR) = If I can recall....just abbreviations we sometimes use. Kinnda like (IMO) In my opinion.

Dreadnought · 09-15-2006, 23:13 PM

I have to knock a part of one of his articles on Surigao Straits, IMO had Pennsylvania (BB38) not been masked by the cruisers and the battleline her gunfire rate definately would have contributed to the battle. Although 12 x 14" her rate of fire on record is outstanding for a ship of her day. She certainly was no push over and had to be sunk by opening the sea cocks after surviving both Bikini nuclear blasts. I hope one day Ballard explores her as being Arizona's sister ship in the class.

texasjohn · 09-16-2006, 00:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Sorry Tex (IICR) = If I can recall....just abbreviations we sometimes use. Kinnda like (IMO) In my opinion.

Sorry I am still learning IM.

gunnut · 09-16-2006, 16:56 PM

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Originally Posted by texasjohn

Sorry I am still learning IM.

That's ok, I am as well. I still don't know what most of these abbreviations mean.

rickusn · 09-16-2006, 17:28 PM

Sorry I dont mean to butt in.

However most capabiliies of warships are either overstated or understated.

In the USN's case 99% of the time the parameters are understated.

Thats why when when USN personnel are caught for espionage its so serious.

Most people have the notion that USN SSBN's are inferior when it come to sonar to SSN's.

I know for a fact thats not the case.

And Ive been out for 25 years.

So no what im telling you is not a secret.

If I told you why that would be.

And never underestimate the exponential effects i performance for many systemsof proper maintennce, training and operational experience.

You would also do well to stymie any arrogance or complacency as it always at times rears its ugly head.

As for nuclear power most of th time only a fraction of its potential is used much of this has to do with the inherent mechanical limitations of the rest of the associated propulsion systems but also for reasons of operational efficiency among other considerations.

Such as "secrecy".

In the USN thaings are normally related to individual sailors on a need to know basis.

So sometimes you can spend a whole carreer w/o ever really knowing the true capabilities of the vessels you are assigned to.

ie I or anyone else who has served are too like our non-serving bretheren often guessing.

Albeit often educated guesses.

Thats why I rarely enter into discussions of what is the best platform of those that are very similar.

Its fruitless and acrimonious.

Sorry to be so long or worse less than illuminating.

glyn · 09-16-2006, 17:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

I seem to remember reading or watching somewhere that a CVN can hit 42+ knots during trials. After loading it full of planes and 6000 people, the top speed slows down a bit.

I shouldn't think it would be a particularly smooth ride at, or near, top speed. These things are floating cities. How can delicate work be undertaken by mechanics and technicians working on the aircraft - to say nothing of the stores, cooking facilities etc. Years ago Britains Royal Navy trialled the 'Brave' class of small ship which was reputedly capable of speeds exceeding 70 kts. I heard that there were so many injuries to the crews that they soon curtailed the trials.

RustyBattleship · 09-16-2006, 18:05 PM

I agree whole hearedly with RICKUSN. If you don't NEED to know, don't ask. If you only WANT to know, out of idle curiosity, we will NEVER give you a straight or honest answer. You may be Cuban of Slavic lineage spying for North Korea for all we know.

RAL's_pal? · 09-16-2006, 18:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyBattleship

If you only WANT to know, out of idle curiosity, we will NEVER give you a straight or honest answer.

Does this mean you've been telling lies about BB's.....

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-16-2006, 22:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyBattleship

You may be Cuban of Slavic lineage spying for North Korea for all we know.

The standard comeback would have been a pretty blonde young woman with a knockout body ... but I'm past the age where babysitting is anything but a chore.

texasjohn · 09-16-2006, 23:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyBattleship

You may be Cuban of Slavic lineage spying for North Korea for all we know.

But the difference is it will not do the poor slav or North Korean any good either way! Whether we sail there at 30 or 50 knots does not matter. He will get an asswhupin anyway!!

glyn · 09-17-2006, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyBattleship

I agree whole hearedly with RICKUSN. If you don't NEED to know, don't ask. If you only WANT to know, out of idle curiosity, we will NEVER give you a straight or honest answer. You may be Cuban of Slavic lineage spying for North Korea for all we know.

The Royal Navy was known as the silent service. We Air Force types thought that was because they had nothing of interest to say! However Rusty Battleship wants to take taciturnity to new levels of absurdity for reasons I wot not of. He was quick to spot that I am spying for North Korea though, so I'll award him 4 marks out of 10.

**TopHatter** · 09-17-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by glyn

The Royal Navy was known as the silent service. We Air Force types thought that was because they had nothing of interest to say! However Rusty Battleship wants to take taciturnity to new levels of absurdity for reasons I wot not of. He was quick to spot that I am spying for North Korea though, so I'll award him 4 marks out of 10.

Glyn,
A couple of things.

First of all, welcome to the board

Glad to see we have another military person here. Can you tell us a little bit about your service?

Second, I don't think that RustyBattleship's remark was directed specifically and/or solely at you.

Oh, and you wouldn't mind toning down your point size would you, it's just a tad bit intimidating.
Very nice color though

rickusn · 09-17-2006, 08:59 AM

" Whether we sail there at 30 or 50 knots does not matter. He will get an asswhupin anyway!!"

How come you refuse to heed my warning about "arrogance"???????????

And yes it matters!!!!!!!

Targeting is everything.

And it is difficult to target a ship on the ocean.

Especially so if you have no "real" idea of its performance envelope.

09-15-2006, 23:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
Dreadnought *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-12-05 Posts: 5,534 Country:	I have to knock a part of one of his articles on Surigao Straits, IMO had Pennsylvania (BB38) not been masked by the cruisers and the battleline her gunfire rate definately would have contributed to the battle. Although 12 x 14" her rate of fire on record is outstanding for a ship of her day. She certainly was no push over and had to be sunk by opening the sea cocks after surviving both Bikini nuclear blasts. I hope one day Ballard explores her as being Arizona's sister ship in the class. Last edited by Dreadnought : 09-15-2006 at 23:24 PM.

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09-15-2006, 22:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
texasjohn *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-28-06 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 1,025 Country:	Ok. I am ignorant on this. What is a IICR launch?

09-16-2006, 17:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
rickusn *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-09-03 Posts: 1,317	Sorry I dont mean to butt in. However most capabiliies of warships are either overstated or understated. In the USN's case 99% of the time the parameters are understated. Thats why when when USN personnel are caught for espionage its so serious. Most people have the notion that USN SSBN's are inferior when it come to sonar to SSN's. I know for a fact thats not the case. And Ive been out for 25 years. So no what im telling you is not a secret. If I told you why that would be. And never underestimate the exponential effects i performance for many systemsof proper maintennce, training and operational experience. You would also do well to stymie any arrogance or complacency as it always at times rears its ugly head. As for nuclear power most of th time only a fraction of its potential is used much of this has to do with the inherent mechanical limitations of the rest of the associated propulsion systems but also for reasons of operational efficiency among other considerations. Such as "secrecy". In the USN thaings are normally related to individual sailors on a need to know basis. So sometimes you can spend a whole carreer w/o ever really knowing the true capabilities of the vessels you are assigned to. ie I or anyone else who has served are too like our non-serving bretheren often guessing. Albeit often educated guesses. Thats why I rarely enter into discussions of what is the best platform of those that are very similar. Its fruitless and acrimonious. Sorry to be so long or worse less than illuminating.

09-16-2006, 18:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
RustyBattleship *Defense Professional* Join Date: 01-12-06 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 2,870	I agree whole hearedly with RICKUSN. If you don't NEED to know, don't ask. If you only WANT to know, out of idle curiosity, we will NEVER give you a straight or honest answer. You may be Cuban of Slavic lineage spying for North Korea for all we know.

09-17-2006, 08:59 AM	#30 (permalink)
rickusn *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-09-03 Posts: 1,317	" Whether we sail there at 30 or 50 knots does not matter. He will get an asswhupin anyway!!" How come you refuse to heed my warning about "arrogance"??????????? And yes it matters!!!!!!! Targeting is everything. And it is difficult to target a ship on the ocean. Especially so if you have no "real" idea of its performance envelope.

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