tphuang

Just out of note, I'm not saying what you are saying is not accurate, but indianguy4u seems to just enjoy putting down anything Chinese, so I had to reply to that.

J-10A was certified in 2003 and J-10B was certified in December of 2005. It's in the evolution period now, no longer development period.

Well, there is a distinction here, su-30mkk and su-30mki. mki is obviously a better air superiority fighter than mkk. Since the fights have only been between mkk and j-10, I can only comment on the ability of these two relative to each other. If you ever get a look at the cockpit of J-10 and mkk, you would notice that J-10's cockpit is far more modern and digital than mkk's cockpit. Also, it uses a more complex FBW software than su-30mkk. In terms of radar, J-10's radar handles more tracking and engagement than su-30mkk's radar. It also has similar detection range to su-30mkk's radar despite being much smaller. The only real advantage mkk has over J-10 is the fact that it has IRST. It's not know whether J-10 will be equipped with IRST in the future or not. In terms of weapon, PL-12's performance has compared favourably to R-77 in pla's own testing.

It's interesting you mentionned the state run industry, because China just privatized its industry last year. Although, the process has been ungoing for the last few years. That's part of the reason for the better systems that are coming out of China. jmo.

As for this entire ASBM issue, I think we won't know until much later whether China is actually anywhere close in this. I do think China is trying to develop something like this. (remember, they are also trying to repair Varyag, so they do attempt things that seem to be outrageous).

Officer of Engineers

1) We still don't know what they want to do with the VARYAG.
2) There is no doubt that the Chinese are trying a few things but we have not seen any testing on these supposed systems.
3) The Soviets had already tried this and deemed it not cost-effective enough for further development.

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itchynuts

LMAO!

Do you even know what a Crusader looks like? Go do some research before you type.

indianguy4u

Some says it secret project, while others like urself says its now declassified. If its secret, than how the hell we have some socalled pics of j-10, if it is now really be declassified, why isnt there a neutral impartial reports. Even russians havent given positive vibes on j-10. Surely russians should know what they are talking.

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tphuang

Let's see, because of the success of J-10 and JH-7A, China has stopped purchasing su-30 from the Russians. It has also decided to use the avionics + weapons of J-10 on J-11B, so the Russian upgrade package of skm was bypassed. The Russians are loosing a lot of money because of this. Would they really give positive vibes?

There isn't any impartial report on J-10, because it's not up for export yet, so it hasn't appeared on one of the airshows in full-blown fashion. Also, the news on J-10 is quite easy to find in China. It's not the hidden project that English speakers think it is. Just because the sources are in a different language, it doesn't mean they are not valid.

-{SpoonmaN}-

If the Chinese Government was serious about building themselves into a world military power, they'd just give up on their own mediocre designs and get into the full blown license production of Russian weapons. Take their willingness to put up with the huge delays and relatively poor performance of all their domestic products as a sign they dont plan to try anything for the forseeable future.

Officer of Engineers

The Chinese did that before and the result of the Sino-Soviet split was that China was saddled with obsolecent to obsolete weapons for decades.

Blademaster

Well remember that the CR and GLF was present at that time and they went after educated people like engineers and professors. You need to take the time period in context to see why China was saddled with obsolete weapons for decades.

Officer of Engineers

Not good enough a response. The Chinese do have good nukes and rockets to deliver them, showing that they can come up with decent systems if they pour enough money and education into them. They did not have enough of either then or now.

Officer of Engineers

I have to say this is a two headed monster. I have seen nothing from the Chinese side on anti-ship BM as anything more than a R&D program. There has been alot of talk about the possibilities but thus far, not even one picture of any missile that is supposedly geared towards an anti-ship role. Not to mention that there has been no test whatsoever.

There's been talk about this was done on land but come on, we have not been able to use over-the-horizon guns/rocklets on tank columns without someone on the spot actually directing the fire. If they can find a ship in open sea with this thing, they can find a tank column on open ground. Thus far, nada, zilch, nothing to even say that the Chinese are capable of doing this - FROM BOTH SIDES.

What has been extremely frustrating is telling the Chinese internet warriors to back off and wait. They're now toting the 2009 deployment date as the date that American CVBGs become obsolete. Is this Anti-Ship BM possible? Maybe. Do I have high confidence it will work? Not without a hell of alot testing.

Because this article is from JANES, it fed the internet warrior crowd without mercy. It is extremely frustrating to PLA watchers to see such a reputable magazine becoming a tabloid.

Gun Grape

Wow what has changed since the Navy and the Heratage Foundation showed that it would take 180+ sats in stationary orbit to provide a accurate targeting capability against a moving ship. (edit) In the East China Sea

Something that even the US cannot do.

The fact that the MIRV may have a radar for terminal guidance doesn't do any good if it isnt in the right patch of ocean to began with.

By 2009 USN and JNSDF will have SM-3 equipped ships.

tphuang

You should really blame it on the China threat people in the Pentagon and Japanese defence force and such. Without them creating this kind of hysteria, JDW would not be posting it.

Officer of Engineers

Does not excuse JANES lack of professionalism.

Francois

Japanese, again. They are so bad!!

gunnut

China and Japan have never liked each other. They have been fighting for a few centuries now. Americans are quite cunning at using this rivalry to contain the Chinese.

I agree, China must develop an effective counter to CBG before it can exert its influence across western Pacific. If that means using radical new technologies to defeat the CBG, then so be it. However that does not excuse Jane's from publishing the story without verifying it or at least present a counter assessment.

Now that I read the news item more closely, it's all sensationalized by JDW:

"Intend to develop" is slightly different from "developing" and further away from "testing."