Who has the strongest military in Europe?

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Well, you have not studied enough. If BACKFIRES and BADGERS have to get within 100 miles to find a carrier, you're really pushing it to tell me a sub could do a better job.

A sub that has world wide satellite support....yeah...i am telling ya....BACKFIRES and BADGERS are flown by less advanced (yes, that includes russia), and former eastern bloc style countries that do not have constant, or very limited access to sats.

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Adux

The US does have the world's biggest and the most technically advanced sub-fleet.

Or just look up U212 or U31

Ucar · 11-20-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra226

A sub that has world wide satellite support....yeah...i am telling ya....BACKFIRES and BADGERS are flown by less advanced (yes, that includes russia), and former eastern bloc style countries that do not have constant, or very limited access to sats.

Russia's Satellite Constellation: Decreasing or Increasing?

Here's an interesting read from Space.com

To say that "former eastern bloc style countries" -whatever this means" have no or limited access to satellites is clearly mistaken. Quoting from the same page

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"Throughout this decade(1999-2007) the total number of Russian satellites has remained even less than that, fluctuating from 94 to 97, which generated the new term currently used by Russian space officials — “level of minimum sufficiency.” That level is presently 96 satellites. Out of 96 spacecraft, according to Anatoly Perminov, the head of the Russian Space Agency, 62 are well past their service-age limits — that is to say, they are not effectively performing all of their functions.

The situation with the military satellite group is even worse with 32 of 40 orbiting spacecraft being used beyond their life spans. These aging satellites are used for navigation, communications, early warnings of ballistic missile launches, electronic and photographic reconnaissance and observation of the oceans.

We all know that satellites are usually used beyond their design life, so do not go around arguing "you see they are old, so they are junk".

Your argumentation is flawed, and clearly Russians -being a "former eastern bloc style country- can spot any enemy surface task force with ease.

**Officer of Engineers** · 11-20-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra226

A sub that has world wide satellite support....yeah...i am telling ya....BACKFIRES and BADGERS are flown by less advanced (yes, that includes russia), and former eastern bloc style countries that do not have constant, or very limited access to sats.

Hehehahahahahahahahaha ... tell me. What is the lag time? And don't say real time. Changing orbits can't be done on the fly.

And as bad as BACKFIREs and BADGERs are, they are decades ahead of anything subs can push forth. Over-the-horizon mean anything to you?

And I wouldn't put too much about the most advance thing. AIP is a wonderful system but it still doesn't come close to the quiet and endurance of nuclear propulsion.

Blademaster · 11-20-2007, 12:19 PM

Cobra,

I strongly suggest that you look at the old threads. We have gone over this many times. And, asking someone to check out a naval website that you cannot even remember is not a good way to make a good impression of your knowledge.

You are getting on the short road to being banned like so many others. Just step back and see what we are trying to say.

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

Cobra,

I strongly suggest that you look at the old threads. We have gone over this many times. And, asking someone to check out a naval website that you cannot even remember is not a good way to make a good impression of your knowledge.

You are getting on the short road to being banned like so many others. Just step back and see what we are trying to say.

I thought this was a discussion forum......thats what we are supposed to do: discuss. Everyone has different opinions and first-hand knowledge. .....and if one can't voice them, its kinda sad...but typical. I don't really care if you've gone over this before....cause i havn't.....and maybe some people can accept that others may know just a little more.
First of all.....most of the people in this forum have probably never left their own country. Second, if your gonna ban me for expressing my thoughts (whether they agree with you or not), this must be an american based forum....because only in those forums does one get banned for not falling into line with everyone else. Since i noticed this....i will be sure to erase my profile myself now. So long!

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra226

I thought this was a discussion forum......thats what we are supposed to do: discuss. Everyone has different opinions and first-hand knowledge. .....and if one can't voice them, its kinda sad...but typical. I don't really care if you've gone over this before....cause i havn't.....and maybe some people can accept that others may know just a little more.
First of all.....most of the people in this forum have probably never left their own country. Second, if your gonna ban me for expressing my thoughts (whether they agree with you or not), this must be an american based forum....because only in those forums does one get banned for not falling into line with everyone else. Since i noticed this....i will be sure to erase my profile myself now. So long!

I do love how some people think that Cuba is one of the top 5 nations militarily.....I did get a pretty good laugh out of this short membership

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra226

I do love how some people think that Cuba is one of the top 5 nations militarily.....I did get a pretty good laugh out of this short membership

PS: Here's your reference.....i made sure it was from an american site....

Type 212/214 submarines

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 13:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

Cobra,

I strongly suggest that you look at the old threads. We have gone over this many times. And, asking someone to check out a naval website that you cannot even remember is not a good way to make a good impression of your knowledge.

You are getting on the short road to being banned like so many others. Just step back and see what we are trying to say.

Type 212/214 submarines

Blademaster · 11-20-2007, 13:10 PM

Ok Cobra,

Can you tell me whether those subs can actively find the aircraft carriers on their own or in a network during wartime conditions? That's what OOE is getting at.

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 13:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

Ok Cobra,

Can you tell me whether those subs can actively find the aircraft carriers on their own or in a network during wartime conditions? That's what OOE is getting at.

Read the article...also, the top video on that same page is from that military channel show....it's an interesting insight into the inside of the system, that not even i have ever seen....just watched it. It is worth it.

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 13:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

Ok Cobra,

Can you tell me whether those subs can actively find the aircraft carriers on their own or in a network during wartime conditions? That's what OOE is getting at.

I could answer your question conditionally with a yes though. To be able to effectively combat German ground forces "barricaded" in Germany, the carriers would have to either enter the north sea through the english channel...or the polar caps (only 2 VERY narrow passage ways that can be easily monitored with onboard sensors). Same thing goes for the mouth of the med....very narrow, and definately easy to monitor.

**Officer of Engineers** · 11-20-2007, 15:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra226

I could answer your question conditionally with a yes though. To be able to effectively combat German ground forces "barricaded" in Germany, the carriers would have to either enter the north sea through the english channel...or the polar caps (only 2 VERY narrow passage ways that can be easily monitored with onboard sensors). Same thing goes for the mouth of the med....very narrow, and definately easy to monitor.

Ok, back up a moment here. Are you not now making it irreverent the "superior" technology? You're basically lying in wait here which again has been shown that even dinosaurs such as the SOONG can accomplish.

2ndly, what makes you so sure that you can block the carriers? The screens would be pinging you to kingdom come.

3rd, I suggest you look up REFORGER.

Actually, don't, I don't know if we can still do REFORGER anymore but still, it would give you an idea of what we were thinking about when we had to punch through the Soviet screens. Don't think your AIP is anymore superior to their nuclear propulsion.

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 16:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Ok, back up a moment here. Are you not now making it irreverent the "superior" technology? You're basically lying in wait here which again has been shown that even dinosaurs such as the SOONG can accomplish.

2ndly, what makes you so sure that you can block the carriers? The screens would be pinging you to kingdom come.

3rd, I suggest you look up REFORGER.

Actually, don't, I don't know if we can still do REFORGER anymore but still, it would give you an idea of what we were thinking about when we had to punch through the Soviet screens. Don't think your AIP is anymore superior to their nuclear propulsion.

Actually...i wasn't "just" referring to the AIP...also the Á-magnetic materials that make detection by pinging virtually impossible....says so in the report and the video. And AIP...as described is definately a technological step forward from Nuclear propulsion...
Or does the reactor on the Ohio produce drinking water???

cobra226 · 11-20-2007, 16:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra226

Actually...i wasn't "just" referring to the AIP...also the Á-magnetic materials that make detection by pinging virtually impossible....says so in the report and the video. And AIP...as described is definately a technological step forward from Nuclear propulsion...
Or does the reactor on the Ohio produce drinking water???

PS, I will look up reforger.....right after i install this new DVD Rom i got here in the mail a second ago! Get back to ya

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11-20-2007, 12:19 PM	#245 (permalink)
Blademaster Military Enthusiast *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-15-03 Posts: 3,277	Cobra, I strongly suggest that you look at the old threads. We have gone over this many times. And, asking someone to check out a naval website that you cannot even remember is not a good way to make a good impression of your knowledge. You are getting on the short road to being banned like so many others. Just step back and see what we are trying to say.

11-20-2007, 13:10 PM	#250 (permalink)
Blademaster Military Enthusiast *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-15-03 Posts: 3,277	Ok Cobra, Can you tell me whether those subs can actively find the aircraft carriers on their own or in a network during wartime conditions? That's what OOE is getting at.

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