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european military strength
after a recent trip to the US i'm starting to question the transatlantic alliance - based on the americans leaving it rather than the europeans leaving it - and i'm intersted in the force projection capabilities of european powers and what it would take to transform european military forces into a expeditionary force rather than a garrison force.
projection capabilities would be all of africa, middle east and various european territories around the world. the roles would be anti-terrorism, trade protection, peacekeeping/enforcement, stabilisation enforcment (think lebanon) and heavy ground and air forces to prevent china taking eastern and central russia in light of a possible russian collapse. (thats my pet theory, i know others don't think so, but i'm convinced) big, flash heavy forces would be required, but most operations would be into environments without a traditional heavy military opposition. |
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LOL Officer of Engineers,
the EU Arms Embargo means ****. it pertains to the stance taken by security body of EU as a collective whole. it does nothing to preclude individual nations. France has had large transfers with PRC. read the Current History from 2 months ago. |
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I don't think that Europeans are really that much less willing to intervene militarily, it's just that they didn't buy the weapons of mass destruction line, and they were already prejudiced against President Bush, so they didn't support the action in Iraq.
A case in point of European forces operating abroad is the current French peacekeeping mission in the Ivory Coast, which has been coming up in the news lately. Perhaps the difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans are much more sympathetic to fighting on humanitarian grounds (Like the somewhat belated intervention in Kosovo) rather than the more nationalistic grounds upon which Americans fight. |
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I think you'll find that humanitarian grounds was not enough for the American public to go to war in Iraq. That's where the WMD and terrorist links thing comes in. I'm all for taking out brutal dictatorships myself, with military force if neccesary.
But if that was really the reason for going to war in Iraq, why don't we see Delta Force storming the Saudi Royal Palaces, or B-1s dropping JDAMs on the suspected hideout of Robert Mugabe? The fact is if we were going to have some kind of war on tyranny, then there'd be an aweful lot of countries getting invaded right now. |
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