Thread: Newest Iraq abuse photos

Oh poor baby.

Now we should burn the dead Islamofascist's body and hang it from a bridge.

Are these guys terrorists? If they were, it wouldn't bother me so much..

Originally Posted by Praxus

Oh poor baby.

Now we should burn the dead Islamofascist's body and hang it from a bridge.

We don't even know what this man did.... he may be completely innocent as far as we know... regardless, this was a murder.

Originally Posted by Irondüke

regardless, this was a murder.

Yes.

I don't like the way the media have handled this...this may have "harsh methods" may have been necessary in some cases. We don't know the background of these pictures, the CNN and all the news channels showing these certainly don't, and we should wait until an investigation finds out exactly what happened.

I welcome those MP's from the Abu Ghraib prison to the Netherlands! Our prisons are, almost literally, five star hotels compared to almost any other prison in the world (even in the west). To think of it, I think our prisons are better than even the best hotels in most third world countries...

Red Cross reports that 80-90% of all Iraqi's detained are innocent.


THis might be necessary? woah are youi a moron or what.

So like when you go to war and get captured do you want to get tortured? If you do want to be tortured then you would say torture is ok. If you can think that you might not enjoy being tortured you would want to say no.

Oh yeah. Interrogation methods involving violence are generally less effective than other methods.

Why were the photos of the tortured Iraqi's dispersed to Iraqi civilians?

To create terror in every Iraqi's mind as to make them talk?

Sounds like we are the damn terrorists.

Originally Posted by tw-acs

Red Cross reports that 80-90% of all Iraqi's detained are innocent.

Context? When did they put the number forward? If it was a week after the war, the number is probably correct. If it were now, I would say it is unlikely to be correct.

THis might be necessary? woah are youi a moron or what.

Your position, so we are clear, is that "torture is NEVER acceptable."

So like when you go to war and get captured do you want to get tortured? If you do want to be tortured then you would say torture is ok. If you can think that you might not enjoy being tortured you would want to say no.

This is not an argument against torture because the enemy will torture our people anyway. Arab countries seem to have no prohibition against torture. Remember whom we are dealing with. Anything that at Abu Ghraib is NOTHING compared to what Saddam's people did. That does not make it right, but let us keep the world in prospective.

Oh yeah. Interrogation methods involving violence are generally less effective than other methods.

Really? That would seem to be counter intuitive, but if you can provide an article from a legitimate source to back that up, I would be willing to reconsider.

Why were the photos of the tortured Iraqi's dispersed to Iraqi civilians?

To create terror in every Iraqi's mind as to make them talk?

Again proof. (From a legitimate source)

Sounds like we are the damn terrorists.

We are the terrorist now? No, your moral compass is screwed up. American soldiers are not terrorists. You have forgotten. Terrorist are people who fly a plane full of people in to a building with ten thousand more people in it.

Originally Posted by aryan

I don't like the way the media have handled this...this may have "harsh methods" may have been necessary in some cases. We don't know the background of these pictures, the CNN and all the news channels showing these certainly don't, and we should wait until an investigation finds out exactly what happened.

I agree.

I am not sure how they came to the figures of 80-90% but I think I was supposed to say the Iraqi's detained at Abu Ghraib.

TORTURE IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE

Keeping perspective on the world.

The USA and other allied nations set the precedent. That is if we want the arab world to change their ways, like getting them to stop torturing people, then we should not do it ourselves.

Saddam Hussien is who we removed from power. If we continue acts of torture no matter the level of degree we are worse than Saddam.

I have no article. Just expierence with siblings and I heard a former interrogation specialist on like CNN or something and that is waht he said.

Actaully that is why the photos were taken. To soften up other Iraqi's. Thats what was reported when I was watching the Commision Investigating the acts of torture at Abu Ghraib

I said nothing about soldiers being terrorists.

I said we as a nation must act with dignity and respect and have enough honor to take responsibility of our actions. If the United States government does something illegal, technically we all did it.

The method you use to create terror does not determine whether someone is a terrorist. I think it is if they attempt to benefit from instilling fear (terror) in peoples minds.

Softening up the Iraqi's.

I remember when this leftist journalist confronted someone with the question whether torture should be applied, if it could save tens/hundreds/thousands/hundred thousands of innocent lives, when the person said no the journalist did react shocked.

The way I see it, it's like when a doctor has to treat someone with gangrene. Amputating a limb, in order to save the life of the person in question, might be a terrible and unpopular decision, but in the end it will save a life.

Originally Posted by tw-acs

I am not sure how they came to the figures of 80-90% but I think I was supposed to say the Iraqi's detained at Abu Ghraib.

TORTURE IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE

Let take an extreme scenario then. Say you have reason to believe that a nuclear weapon is in a US city. You have an AQ that says he knows where it is. If you knew you could get it out of his by torturing him. Would you?

The USA and other allied nations set the precedent. That is if we want the arab world to change their ways, like getting them to stop torturing people, then we should not do it ourselves.

Arab countries are going to do what they want regardless of what we do.

Saddam Hussien is who we removed from power. If we continue acts of torture no matter the level of degree we are worse than Saddam.

You are equating 25 years are torture of millions of people to one cell block in one prison. It's illogical.

I have no article. Just expierence with siblings and I heard a former interrogation specialist on like CNN or something and that is waht he said.

That's nice.

Actaully that is why the photos were taken. To soften up other Iraqi's. Thats what was reported when I was watching the Commision Investigating the acts of torture at Abu Ghraib

Sure

I said nothing about soldiers being terrorists.

They are the ones that you say are handing out the photos.

I said we as a nation must act with dignity and respect and have enough honor to take responsibility of our actions. If the United States government does something illegal, technically we all did it.

The method you use to create terror does not determine whether someone is a terrorist. I think it is if they attempt to benefit from instilling fear (terror) in peoples minds.

Softening up the Iraqi's.

I stand by my original statement:

"We are the terrorist now? No, your moral compass is screwed up. American soldiers are not terrorists. You have forgotten. Terrorists are people who fly a plane full of people in to a building with ten thousand more people in it."

According to the claims of the US government and Military and just because I know we have this technology we could see the bomb.

See the radiation can be viewed with the proper camera.

Torture No. Truth serime maybe. But how do you know that he knows where it is? WHat is the reason to believe there is a nuke?

If arab countries are going to do what they want regardless of our actions then why in the hell are we in the Middle East!!!!!

It is called perpetuation of violence. I will not explain this to you again. I have done it before.

It is nice. I have real world expierence. You have the word "no."

So you are saying the soldiers are terrorists? I had not said that the soldiers terrorists it seems you come to this conclusion with your own thinking.

First off every soldier is supposed to know right from wrong. In the event of recieving an order that is by their moral comapss to be wrong they are not supposed to carry that order out.

Secondly, becauase the US military has a rank system, the persons that issued the orders are also responsible.

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ter·ror·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trr-st)
n.
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

adj.
Of or relating to terrorism.

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\Ter"ror*ist\, n. [F. terroriste.] One who governs by terrorism or intimidation; specifically, an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France. --Burke.


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terrorist

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon

I think your definition of "terrorist" and the actual defition is a little bit different. In fact, the actual defintion seems to be a lot closer to what I had described a terrorist to rather than your description.

Originally Posted by tw-acs

According to the claims of the US government and Military and just because I know we have this technology we could see the bomb.

See the radiation can be viewed with the proper camera.

Thanks for ignoring the question.

Torture No. Truth serime maybe. But how do you know that he knows where it is? WHat is the reason to believe there is a nuke?

The terrorist himself said there was one.

If arab countries are going to do what they want regardless of our actions then why in the hell are we in the Middle East!!!!!

The remove the treat posed by Saddam.

It is called perpetuation of violence. I will not explain this to you again. I have done it before.

It is nice. I have real world expierence. You have the word "no."

So you are saying the soldiers are terrorists? I had not said that the soldiers terrorists it seems you come to this conclusion with your own thinking.

I see you have put your ass hat on today.

First off every soldier is supposed to know right from wrong. In the event of recieving an order that is by their moral comapss to be wrong they are not supposed to carry that order out.

Secondly, because the US military has a rank system, the persons that issued the orders are also responsible.

www.dictionary.com

ter•ror•ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trr-st)
n.
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

adj.
Of or relating to terrorism.

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terror•istic adj.

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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terrorist

\Ter"ror*ist\, n. [F. terroriste.] One who governs by terrorism or intimidation; specifically, an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France. --Burke.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


terrorist

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon

I think your definition of "terrorist" and the actual defition is a little bit different. In fact, the actual defintion seems to be a lot closer to what I had described a terrorist to rather than your description.

So? Do you consider American soldiers to be terrorists or not?