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    Modi gives free hand to forces over Pak ceasefire violation

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi is reported to have given the security apparatus a "free hand" in dealing with Pakistan, a brief that was picked up by Home Minister Rajnath Singh when he asked the Border Security Force to return Pakistan's firing with full force.

    The Prime Minister is expected to hold a late-night meeting on Wednesday with Home Minister Rajnath Singh, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and senior defence officers over continued ceasefire violation by Pakistani troops since Monday Doval met senior defence officials earlier on Wednesday to assess the situation along the Line of Control.

    At least seven people have died and over 30 injured since Monday in the latest violation in Kashmir since India and Pakistan agreed to a ceasefire in 2003, forcing thousands of residents in the area to take shelter in Army camps and other places.

    The BSF on Wednesday said it has captured a 80-year-old Pakistani national from the RS Pura sector in Jammu and Kashmir. The man is reported to be mentally unstable.

    BJP, Congress exchange barbs over ceasefire violation
    The BJP chief Amit Shah, during a rally in poll-bound Haryana, said, "Earlier, Pakistan used to start as well end the firing against India. Now Pakistan begins it and India ends it."

    "Pakistan is no more Pakistan. It has become Shaitanistan and Atankistan," the BJP spokesperson Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said on Wednesday.
    The opposition Congress attacked the Centre over the escalation in tension along the border. Party vice-president attacked Modi, saying he has done nothing to stop the deaths on the border despite "many provocations".

    "Before the Lok Sabha polls, Modi used to speak of adopting an aggressive approach towards China and Pakistan. Now, despite so many provocations, the PM is not doing anything for the last three months," he said during his rally for the October 15 Maharashtra Assembly elections at Mahad in Raigad district.

    "It is a matter of utmost shame that a small country like Pakistan is able to do these things with impunity. The PM is busy making jingositic statements. We want to know the specific steps he has taken to check the ceasefire violations," Congress spokesperson Abhishek Manu Singhvi said.
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    I was wondering why it wasn't picked up any of the Indian WAB members yet. Are we expecting this to go any further or just both sides back off after sometime and from the looks of it India won't be backing off first. Pakistan started it India will end it.
    Last edited by commander; 08 Oct 14,, 13:36.

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    Originally posted by commander View Post
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    I was wondering why it wasn't picked up any of the Indian WAB members yet. Are we expecting this to go any further or just both sides back off after sometime and from the looks of it India won't be backing off first. Pakistan started it India will end it.
    Last year in August Pakistan did the same drama ie. pushing Islamic terrorists in India to kill innocent civilian Kashmiris and terrorize them.
    Rediff On The NeT: At least 50 Pak soldiers killed as India strikes back

    India was first silent after taking few soldier+civilian causalities but then retaliated in a sudden and massive manner.This resulted in about 50+ causalities of Pak soldiers and dozen of bunkers destroyed+ammo depots blown up and even ever silent PM Manmohan Singh told Pakistan to behave.Indian Army general Bikram Singh threatened to escalate the war and gave the local commanders the right to retaliate as much they think is apt.All of a sudden the Pakistan's foreign minister Hina Rabbani who was in a feisty mood before started talking of "peace and dialaag".

    So basically Pakistan started the min-war by 7.62 mm guns and India ended it with mortars,heavy machine guns and 40 mm guns.What did Pakistan get from this? Nothing but humiliation and embarrassment.

    Same drama going on again.Seems like this time Pakistan is too embarrassed+frustrated by the failed attempt to raise their "core" issues in UNGA and the way US is neglecting them and MODI's visit to US and grand reception and media attention.

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    • #3
      Latest of this case...

      India hits back with vengeance, strikes 37 Pak posts, 15 killed - Hindustan Times
      The Indian attack targeted 37 Pakistani border posts, resulting in around 15 deaths, more than 30 injured and serious damage to outposts manned by the Pakistani Rangers, intelligence sources told HT.

      India has lost six people and sustained 13 injuries in Pakistani firing in the Jammu sector, part of a five-fold increase in ceasefire violations on the IB this year to 41. The incidents have perplexed military analysts who are more accustomed to firing across the Line of Control (LoC) to facilitate infiltration of terrorists.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by commander View Post
        I was wondering why it wasn't picked up any of the Indian WAB members yet. Are we expecting this to go any further or just both sides back off after sometime and from the looks of it India won't be backing off first. Pakistan started it India will end it.
        This is a routine affair, they sneak some of their guys over the line under cover of shelling, we fire back eventually then have more fun trying to find the rats and exterminate them. next year it starts again. rinse & repeat

        Originally posted by Batista View Post
        Last year in August Pakistan did the same drama ie. pushing Islamic terrorists in India to kill innocent civilian Kashmiris and terrorize them.
        Rediff On The NeT: At least 50 Pak soldiers killed as India strikes back
        This year due to floods the games were delayed.
        Last edited by Double Edge; 08 Oct 14,, 18:07.

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        • #5
          I have been listening to debates along with Pakistani guests.

          While the India media is actually showing pictures and videos of people actually affected, the Pakistani participants continue to harp about and ISPR statement and FO statement or some other statement.
          "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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          • #6
            Originally posted by antimony View Post
            I have been listening to debates along with Pakistani guests.

            While the India media is actually showing pictures and videos of people actually affected, the Pakistani participants continue to harp about and ISPR statement and FO statement or some other statement.
            Yesterday in the TimesNow debate few Pakistani guests were invited including Gen Quraishi and a so called "Journalist" who looked more a fashion model.

            Arnab asked him why Pakistani media is muzzled and why Pakistani media not showing anything the way Indian media is showing ie. going to firing areas interviewing people, showing hospital,injured people, shells,bullets,destroyed civilian houses and all that.

            The Pakistani lady said she would show a footage on Friday.Now Arnab said that this simply means it would be a exclusive selected censored propaganda footage by ISI/Army since Pak Army is getting pounded and the real footage would again expose Pakistan and let the common Pakistani know the reality.The Pakistani lady started so much rhetoric talking about how peace should prevail etc etc that even Arnab was frustrated a bit.

            Arnab asked why TV channels like Geo TV are banned and very famous journalist Hamid Mir was almost killed recently.She had no straight answer but same rhetoric.

            Now Pakistan started pushing Islamic terrorist and India retaliated in a massive manner.Pakistan ran to some International org and started crying India is the aggressor but everyone knows India has nothing to gain.Now Pakistan has called for a flag meeting to which India has refused which is right way.The thing is Pakistan is doing lame and stupid attempts to internationalize the issue when they themselves are the culprit.

            In Hindi it's called "Ulta chor Kotwal ko dante or " "The thief scolds the Police".

            Meanwhile Pakistan is doing atrocities in Balochistan and doing secret killings in thousands.
            Last edited by Batista; 09 Oct 14,, 08:53.

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            • #7
              Every bullet and mortar fired across the western border is a waste which the congress understood(and ignored) better than the BJP.

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                Originally posted by commander View Post
                Are we expecting this to go any further or just both sides back off after sometime and from the looks of it India won't be backing off first. Pakistan started it India will end it.
                In another thread you were saying we should halt relations with China until border issues were settled. Compare this side of the border with that one.

                Borders on LOC are clearly demarcated, both DGMO's have signed it. Written agreements to respect it where it runs and yet this is the one that is live and hot. Terrorists cross over and firing takes place.

                LAC with China isn't jointly demarcated or delineated on a map, its a concept more than a line and yet its calm. The last death that occurred there was Oct 1975. No shots fired since. No confrontation or troops build up. Stability without reconciliation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                  In another thread you were saying we should halt relations with China until border issues were settled. Compare this side of the border with that one.

                  Borders on LOC are clearly demarcated, both DGMO's have signed it. Written agreements to respect it where it runs and yet this is the one that is live and hot. Terrorists cross over and firing takes place.

                  LAC with China isn't jointly demarcated or delineated on a map, its a concept more than a line and yet its calm. The last death that occurred there was Oct 1975. No shots fired since. No confrontation or troops build up. Stability without reconciliation.
                  Oh trust me I would love to see Pakistan burn in Nukes anytime even if costs me one eye. But China not so much, I only want them to stop pestering us and halting relationship with them might show them what we are. With Pakistan I would rather see them be burned to dust because of reasons you and I know very well.

                  China is way more sane and mature and sometimes better than comparing the mullah run Pakistan where not even their own government can make it's foreign policies and are just puppets for ISI and Army.

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                    Originally posted by Batista View Post
                    Yesterday in the TimesNow debate few Pakistani guests were invited including Gen Quraishi and a so called "Journalist" who looked more a fashion model.

                    Arnab asked him why Pakistani media is muzzled and why Pakistani media not showing anything the way Indian media is showing ie. going to firing areas interviewing people, showing hospital,injured people, shells,bullets,destroyed civilian houses and all that.

                    The Pakistani lady said she would show a footage on Friday.Now Arnab said that this simply means it would be a exclusive selected censored propaganda footage by ISI/Army since Pak Army is getting pounded and the real footage would again expose Pakistan and let the common Pakistani know the reality.The Pakistani lady started so much rhetoric talking about how peace should prevail etc etc that even Arnab was frustrated a bit.
                    Going by the way Arnab conducts a debate I am surprised to hear that the Pakistani lady even got a chance to speak


                    Originally posted by Batista View Post
                    Arnab asked why TV channels like Geo TV are banned and very famous journalist Hamid Mir was almost killed recently.She had no straight answer but same rhetoric.
                    It is important not to get carried away in debates. what exactly does this have to do with the Indo-Pak conflict. Also, the GEO group has not been banned. This shows how far Arnab has fallen.

                    Meanwhile, the LOC clashes have started to have their intended effect. The international community has started to notice and has started talking up peace. Even Pakistani politicians, always at each others throats, have also started to come together. I hope Modi gets this resolved soon.
                    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by commander View Post
                      Oh trust me I would love to see Pakistan burn in Nukes anytime even if costs me one eye.
                      Have you not learnt anything from the other thread? If Pakistan burns in nukes you will lose more than an eye
                      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by commander View Post
                        China is way more sane and mature and sometimes better than comparing the mullah run Pakistan where not even their own government can make it's foreign policies and are just puppets for ISI and Army.
                        Such is the difference between a country with 4000 years experience in state craft vs a state we are not sure is a state.

                        There is talk that this firing is to weaken Sharif's position. The attack in Herat was the same, hold the embassy staff for three days then kill them during the inauguration of the PM. Luckily for us the ITBP foiled that plan and Shariff could visit.

                        Any time a civilian Pak leader wants better relations with India their state orgs intervene and try to shut it down. They succeeded in 2008.

                        I see these moves more as teaching a lesson to the Pak people using India as a prop.

                        If you do not try to make friends with India then bad things will not happen.

                        The real target is internal and daresay since 2001.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 09 Oct 14,, 15:10.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by antimony View Post
                          Have you not learnt anything from the other thread? If Pakistan burns in nukes you will lose more than an eye
                          And I guess you haven't noticed me accepting that fact that we can't erase them out of earth -yet. I said I would love to and that doesn't mean we can. Second the eye term was a literal term and I guess you know what I meant by that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            Such is the difference between a country with 4000 years experience in state craft vs a state we are not sure is a state.

                            There is talk that this firing is to weaken Sharif's position. The attack in Herat was the same, hold the embassy staff for three days then kill them during the inauguration of the PM. Luckily for us the ITBP foiled that plan and Shariff could visit.

                            Any time a civilian Pak leader wants better relations with India their state orgs intervene and try to shut it down. They succeeded in 2008.

                            I see these moves more as teaching a lesson to the Pak people using India as a prop.

                            If you do not try to make friends with India then bad things will not happen.

                            The real target is internal and daresay since 2001.
                            Except this time around the fight doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon, at least we won't stop first. For Pakistani Army it is a matter of pride at the moment. For India it is about putting a statement in the world forum that India can take care of Pakistan if it wishes so in a way that Pakistan will understand and they can't intervene in India's internal affairs. Making it clear to the UN that they can't dome brokering a deal with India and Pakistan on the Kashmir issue.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by antimony View Post
                              Going by the way Arnab conducts a debate I am surprised to hear that the Pakistani lady even got a chance to speak

                              It is important not to get carried away in debates. what exactly does this have to do with the Indo-Pak conflict. Also, the GEO group has not been banned. This shows how far Arnab has fallen.

                              Meanwhile, the LOC clashes have started to have their intended effect. The international community has started to notice and has started talking up peace. Even Pakistani politicians, always at each others throats, have also started to come together. I hope Modi gets this resolved soon.
                              The debate I was talking about was related to this skirmish yesterday.The journalist was asked why Pak media not showing whats happening on the side of Pakistan.

                              Arnab indeed talks a lot and he does comes up with facts but the fashion model cum journalist almost had a slip of tongue which implied ISI/Army might be having a say in the footage she would show on Friday.So Arnab caught her and she started pushing things under carpet and panelists almost had a laugh and Gen Quraishi looked embarrassed since he was the former official spokesperson of Musharaf for a long time.

                              International community doesn't care much about a state which officially patronize terrorism as a state policy and related to lot of terrorist activities in the world. Intentional community also knows where was OBL living happily with his harem well protected by Army.Good to see India giving a apt reply and now it's Pakistan asking for a flag meet.

                              Why should India care so much about "International community" when our own people specially civilian die of unprovoked firing?

                              Pakistan recently simply failed again in UNGA where no one gave a shit about their K rants.That's one of the reason Pakistan is trying it's best to create attention like a spoiled child asking for a "toy".International community is just sick of this spoiled child and ignoring it.

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                              Last edited by Batista; 09 Oct 14,, 15:39.

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