Officer of Engineers

Only using indirect info. The Late Cmdr Wang Wei's accident with the EP-3 strongly tells me that PLAAF pilots know their planes very well. Only those extremely comfortable with their planes would even try thumping.

In seeing their exercises, I have not seen dog fights but I have seen bombing runs. It would seem that the PLAAF pilots can hit their targets.

Rusting. The late models are better but all the J-6 and all the early J-7 were hand built. I believe the Iranians complained that one plane to the other can vary as much in length as 10 centimetres. This has strongly implications in that there are very few parts you can canalibalize from one plane to the next.

Also, the GPCR did alot of damage. Training conisted of taking off, circle the airfield and landing.

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Samudra

Lots of Indian movies ?

indianguy4u

That action looks more like kamikaze tactics than anything else.

Can u tell more about the gen training practices of all plaaf pilots. Is anything known about their doctrines.



Is plaaf lokking at modernising its AF & phasing out obselete ACs. How many j-10 & j-11 will be inducted & JXX projects.

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RUSKIE

Well yes i am the first and so far only soul whom voted Russian AF pilots the best, well because i am one of many russian citizens that count on them to defend our airspace and our lives from foriegn( and somtimes domestic) aggressors... but realisticly to the thread... Isreali pilots are the best...

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Officer of Engineers

Ego more than anything else. Even your pilots ain't above having more balls than brains.

Not sure what you mean here. There are several types of training. Those assigned to the old planes (J6-J7) gets alot less than those flying the J10 and J11. What is known about their doctrines is non-interference, ie, you will not find a fighter sweep in conjunction with a straffing run. And they both got to be out of the sky when the ground forces enter the picture to avoid red-on-red incidents.

Col Ken Allen, USAF suggests no more than 500 planes should suffice the PLAAF but there is politics involved. The fewer planes, the lesser political clout the PLAAF would enjoy.

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Troll Planet.

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Anoop C

Nice word-play there, Colonel

Could you clarify your comment on IAF pilots being overly aggressive? Most of the MiG accidents happen during or soon after take-off or during landing. So by aggressive, do you mean more flying hours than are safe?

I do believe that the IAF reduced the hours (to 200,000/year calculated from the published 0.5 accident rate/10,000 hours and the total number of crashes of 10 in the year) during the last year, which may account for the lower accident rate. This is lower than the IAF's historical flying hours:

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Yet, if the accident rate of 0.5/10,000 hrs is a rounded number from 0.46/10,000 hours, then the flying hours increase to nearly 217400, which is closer to the decadal average.

However, I do not know if the reduced flying hours translate to a reduction in training quality. For two reasons:

(i) Decrease in number of aircraft available due to phase-out of MiG-23 BN and MiG-25R squadrons

(ii) Increase in 2-seater aircraft like the Su-30, which for a given number of flight hours trains two pilots.

What this shows is that a meaningful timeline of accidents can be obtained only if we know the hours flown per aircraft type per year.

Officer of Engineers

Does it matter? Let me put it in a perspective so that you can understand the gravity of those crashes. You've lost over 2 squadrons of planes and more importantly, pilots, some even irreplacable pilots.

RUSKIE

ew....

well any way after reading the IAF simulated victory over the USAF F-15's i went back and read, o ya IAF is able to recruit its Smartest and brightest pilots to fly... and US only gets the Average...
just thought i might add, in case you had somthing to say about it.

indianguy4u

Thats a myth. It should be other way round. Since liberalisation in 1990s there are more job opporunities & better pay packets which defence forces of India cannot match. Therefore there is acute shortage of officier level cadets in all the three forces.

Anoop C

No doubt, Colonel. A recent example was the CO of a Jag squadron - from what I've read on BRF, a real top-notch pilot and respected leader.

Rusky

Either yanks or brits have the best pilots, i went with yanks.

Russia needs to spend more money on training and that is what we are going to do now since we have billions of dollars in our defense budget. But that will be in the future, as it stands now the yanks are probably the best, since they get most money for training.

Captain Drunk

The best pilots would be the ones who fly the most sophisticated jets and since the USAF has stealths, US pilots come first, then Russian pilots and then Indian pilots as we got the best mix of hot shot Migs and Su MKIs

War Angel

I don't think I'll be making empty boasting when I say the Israelis are the best pilots in the world. Israel has very little human resources compared to its enemies (in terms of numbers), so every Israeli has to fight like many of its adversaries. This goes for fighter pilots, as well as tankists, infantry, intelligence and everyone else.

In 1998 there was a tournament between 100 Israeli pilots and 100 American pilots, with the same planes and everything. When it ended, the Americans downed 3 Israelis. The Israelis downed 56. That was expected, and the point of the entire thing was that the Israelis would share some of their battle knowledge with the Americans.

In 2001, I think it was, Israel had another tournament, this time with Germany. I don't recall exact numbers, but the Israelis beat them by a pretty large margin. The Germans are considered superb fighter pilots. Also, in this tournament, they had various F-16 VS. Mig-29 dogfights. Sadly, I do not recall the outcomes of that one.

Officer of Engineers - you're anti-Israeli sentiments are clear and visible, throughout this board. I'd avise you to to tone it down, you know, for the sake of cultural debate.

ZFBoxcar

Who has better pilots is not a cultural debate. I think Israel does have the best pilots, but disagreeing with that opinion does not make him anti-Israel.