Which Are The Best Air Force Pilots? - Page 3

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-10-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

Personal sacrifice for a national cause is not measured in the loss of men, but the birth of brave new sons they set an example to. Thats what makes a nation a World Power.

You're freaking joking me!

Captain Drunk · 01-10-2006, 10:16 AM

Ha ha ha! The bitter truth when it comes to breaking all barriers

indianguy4u · 01-10-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OoE

And the pilots you've lost reflect it.

Sir,
This is the type of Q i would expect a novice to come up with & not by u. Still if u dont know the reason behind the loss of mig21s & pilots are
1. lack of AJT.
2. high takeoff speeds of mig21s.
3. inexpirenced pilots thrown straight into those beast from kiran trainers[subsonics planes].
4. Faulty maintaince by HAL[may be, not conclusive reason.]

Maximus · 01-10-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

By losing expertise to accidents?

Now, now OoE.. are you trying to downplay the Russian equipment to make a case for the American F-16s/F-18s for the Indian contract

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**Officer of Engineers** · 01-10-2006, 14:08 PM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Sir,
This is the type of Q i would expect a novice to come up with & not by u. Still if u dont know the reason behind the loss of mig21s & pilots are
1. lack of AJT.
2. high takeoff speeds of mig21s.
3. inexpirenced pilots thrown straight into those beast from kiran trainers[subsonics planes].
4. Faulty maintaince by HAL[may be, not conclusive reason.]

I know all the reasons but you forgot one.

5) The reputation and the pride of the InAF that all pilots are expected to live up to.

Most likely, the fatalities would go down as soon as those MiG-21 jalopies are replaced but as of right now, your pilots, young and old are asking way too much of those planes.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-10-2006, 14:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus

Now, now OoE.. are you trying to downplay the Russian equipment to make a case for the American F-16s/F-18s for the Indian contract

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Frankly, I expect InAF pilots to be even harder on those machines than the MiGs.

Captain Drunk · 01-10-2006, 14:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Frankly, I expect InAF pilots to be even harder on those machines than the MiGs.

Mig pilots are made for Migs alone. F-16s are too delicate and fragile, like the F-18 they're not as fast as Migs they're merely gliders with jet engines. Migs are rockets with wings

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-10-2006, 14:37 PM

What planet are you on?

Jay · 01-10-2006, 15:35 PM

Sir,

Do you think its worth even replying after reading this??

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Personal sacrifice for a national cause is not measured in the loss of men, but the birth of brave new sons they set an example to. Thats what makes a nation a World Power

Personal sacrifice, my a$$. Go tell that to the parents of the dead pilots, heck go tell that to the serving pilots and they'll lynch you to death.

indianguy4u · 01-11-2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

I know all the reasons but you forgot one.

5) The reputation and the pride of the InAF that all pilots are expected to live up to.

Most likely, the fatalities would go down as soon as those MiG-21 jalopies are replaced but as of right now, your pilots, young and old are asking way too much of those planes.

Sir,
This reputation & expectation to live up to, is with every AF not a bane for IAF only. So how can one count that has a reason.

This is lastest news on mig21s & for a change good one.
indian military thread posted by endangered

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MiG-21 sheds 'flying coffin' tag

January 10, 2006 19:55 IST

MiG21 - the workhorse of the Indian Air Force is no longer an unsafe flying machine, with the accident rate of the 1960s aircraft being brought down to a level comparable to other fighters in the force's inventory.

"The accident rate of the MiG-21 has been brought down from a high of 2.89 (per 10,000 flying hours) to 0.6 or even lower presently - its lowest accident rate ever," Flight Inspection & Safety DG Air Marshal P S Ahluwalia said at a press conference in New Delhi on Tuesday.

The accident rate of the Soviet-made multi-role fighter has been reduced by 56 per cent in the last decade, he added.

He pointed out that while in the last financial year, there had been three accidents involving the MiG-21 aircraft, the figures for this year, until now, were just two - out of which the one at Bangalore was caused by a bird hit.

"Despite our best efforts to reduce their presence or avoid them, birds are still found flying around... it is natural. They have a better claim to air," he said.

On the reasons for the controversy arising in the first place, Air Marshal Ahluwalia said one of the reasons was that MiG-21s comprise almost 50 per cent of IAF fighter aircraft, and correspondingly 50 per cent of the total flying hours of the force are accomplished on this aircraft only.

Stressing that the better record of the MiG-21 was part of the improved flight safety record of the IAF, he said that it was due to a concerted strategy, professionalism and perseverance, 'with luck playing no role'.

"Accident rates have reduced considerably by almost 50 per cent of our best average in the last ten years. We have had our constraints but nevertheless developed a strategy, based on a careful analysis of existing trends and technology. We identified the problems in the critical areas and addressed them," he added

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**Officer of Engineers** · 01-11-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Sir,
This reputation & expectation to live up to, is with every AF not a bane for IAF only. So how can one count that has a reason.

Not when one is expected to use skill and personal initiative to overcome the lack of technology. Most certainly, Russian and and especially Chinese pilots do not push their MiGs to the extreme the Indians do.

lemontree · 01-11-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

Personal sacrifice for a national cause is not measured in the loss of men, but the birth of brave new sons they set an example to. Thats what makes a nation a World Power

You have ever lost a lose friend or relative?

indianguy4u · 01-11-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Not when one is expected to use skill and personal initiative to overcome the lack of technology. Most certainly, Russian and and especially Chinese pilots do not push their MiGs to the extreme the Indians do.

Sir,
Regular russian pilots get low hrs & chinese dont let info out of their country that easily. But India being democracy, we have been transperent & open for criticisim. So our figures looks bad, which i am sure isnt the case. IAF havent crashed any of sukhois yet, eventhough its been used from '97 onwards. Big reason for mig21s are really they need replacement. Anything short is not good enough.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-11-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Sir,
Regular russian pilots get low hrs & chinese dont let info out of their country that easily.

We know alot about Chinese pilots. Aside from satellite, we have the Russian factories doing the maintenance work for the Sukhois they sold the Chinese. Thus, far the maintenance schedule ain't nowhere close to heavy usage.

I am not criticizing InA pilots, just stating that they are aggressive, sometimes overly so.

indianguy4u · 01-11-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

We know alot about Chinese pilots. Aside from satellite, we have the Russian factories doing the maintenance work for the Sukhois they sold the Chinese. Thus, far the maintenance schedule ain't nowhere close to heavy usage.

I am not criticizing InA pilots, just stating that they are aggressive, sometimes overly so.

Thats interesting info sir. Can u tell something about sukhois pilots of PLAAF?

But even here, what about the thousands of clone mig19 & mig21 which china has successfully mfg & used in their vast AF. Any info on those?

View Poll Results: Which Are The Best Air Force Pilots :
Russian Air Force	15	7.85%
U S A F	46	24.08%
P L A A F - China	3	1.57%
Indian Air Force	54	28.27%
R A F	18	9.42%
R A A F - Australia	3	1.57%
Canadian Air Force	6	3.14%
Luftwaffe	5	2.62%
French Air Force	1	0.52%
Royal Saudi Air Force	0	0%
Israeli Air Force	29	15.18%
Imperial Iranian Air Force	1	0.52%
PAF - Pakistan	10	5.24%
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