Which Are The Best Air Force Pilots? - Page 2

Captain Drunk · 01-08-2006, 09:22 AM

Basically, I don’t see how the Israeli AF is better than the IAF because :-

The best pilots in the Israeli AF are undoubtedly the F-15 pilots, since only top scoring pilots get to fly the best planes i.e. F-15, hence superceding Israeli F-16 and C-2 Kfir pilots by far. But US F-15 pilots beat Israeli F-15 pilots as the best F-15s fly only with the USAF. Still better than the US F-15 pilots are the IAF Su-30 MKI pilots as Cope India DACT sorties showed.

And there you have it, simple logic

As for PAF pilots, I don’t think they’ve had much hands-on experience with sophisticated BVR long range missiles or Helmet Mounted Sights, avionics, etc., so I doubt their competitiveness.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-08-2006, 09:35 AM

I doubt the InAF could even do a 10th of what the USAF did in LB I & II, OAF, ODS, and OIF.

Vaman · 01-08-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

I doubt the InAF could even do a 10th of what the USAF did in LB I & II, OAF, ODS, and OIF.

But then its not required to do any of those things either.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-08-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaman

But then its not required to do any of those things either.

That's the point.

indianguy4u · 01-08-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

Basically, I don’t see how the Israeli AF is better than the IAF because :-

The best pilots in the Israeli AF are undoubtedly the F-15 pilots, since only top scoring pilots get to fly the best planes i.e. F-15, hence superceding Israeli F-16 and C-2 Kfir pilots by far. But US F-15 pilots beat Israeli F-15 pilots as the best F-15s fly only with the USAF. Still better than the US F-15 pilots are the IAF Su-30 MKI pilots as Cope India DACT sorties showed.

And there you have it, simple logic

As for PAF pilots, I don’t think they’ve had much hands-on experience with sophisticated BVR long range missiles or Helmet Mounted Sights, avionics, etc., so I doubt their competitiveness.

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Captain Drunk · 01-08-2006, 21:15 PM

Basically, I can vouch for IAF pilots, especially the guys from TACDE - Tactics and Combat Development Training Establishment, IAF's fighter and weapons training school, or India's "Top Gun" if you like, are indeed one of the best, if not the best Mig pilots in the world.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-08-2006, 23:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

are indeed one of the best, if not the best Mig pilots in the world.

That they are and have a tendency to push their machines well beyond their limits - not a good thing when it comes to MiGs ... or any other East Bloc equipment.

indianguy4u · 01-08-2006, 23:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

That they are and have a tendency to push their machines well beyond their limits - not a good thing when it comes to MiGs ... or any other East Bloc equipment.

One can say, they have full confidence in the machinces & why not we have been using them for half a century.

Captain Drunk · 01-09-2006, 13:14 PM

India flies cannibalised Migs, HAL doing a good job to make IAF Migs killing machines with best avionic / weapon systems upgrades from France, Israel, etc. So pushing them to their limits is what IAF Migs are mae for. Furthermore they're rugged and their electronics dont go bust, as was the case of many F-16s, A-10s and Apaches in Iraq and Afghanistan.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-09-2006, 23:45 PM

And the pilots you've lost reflect it.

Captain Drunk · 01-10-2006, 05:09 AM

In war and peace, for all Air Forces so to say.

"So much owed by so many to so few".

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-10-2006, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

In war and peace, for all Air Forces so to say.

"So much owed by so many to so few".

What has that got to do with pilots pushing machines beyond their limits?

Captain Drunk · 01-10-2006, 05:18 AM

Its in the national interests of the country and its Air Force, depending on their adversary's combat enviornment / fighter tactics.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-10-2006, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

Its in the national interests of the country and its Air Force, depending on their adversary's combat enviornment / fighter tactics.

By losing expertise to accidents?

Captain Drunk · 01-10-2006, 10:12 AM

Personal sacrifice for a national cause is not measured in the loss of men, but the birth of brave new sons they set an example to. Thats what makes a nation a World Power

View Poll Results: Which Are The Best Air Force Pilots :
Russian Air Force	15	7.85%
U S A F	46	24.08%
P L A A F - China	3	1.57%
Indian Air Force	54	28.27%
R A F	18	9.42%
R A A F - Australia	3	1.57%
Canadian Air Force	6	3.14%
Luftwaffe	5	2.62%
French Air Force	1	0.52%
Royal Saudi Air Force	0	0%
Israeli Air Force	29	15.18%
Imperial Iranian Air Force	1	0.52%
PAF - Pakistan	10	5.24%
Voters: 191. You may not vote on this poll

01-08-2006, 09:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
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01-08-2006, 09:22 AM	#16 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	Basically, I don’t see how the Israeli AF is better than the IAF because :- The best pilots in the Israeli AF are undoubtedly the F-15 pilots, since only top scoring pilots get to fly the best planes i.e. F-15, hence superceding Israeli F-16 and C-2 Kfir pilots by far. But US F-15 pilots beat Israeli F-15 pilots as the best F-15s fly only with the USAF. Still better than the US F-15 pilots are the IAF Su-30 MKI pilots as Cope India DACT sorties showed. And there you have it, simple logic As for PAF pilots, I don’t think they’ve had much hands-on experience with sophisticated BVR long range missiles or Helmet Mounted Sights, avionics, etc., so I doubt their competitiveness.

01-08-2006, 21:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	Basically, I can vouch for IAF pilots, especially the guys from TACDE - Tactics and Combat Development Training Establishment, IAF's fighter and weapons training school, or India's "Top Gun" if you like, are indeed one of the best, if not the best Mig pilots in the world.

01-09-2006, 13:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	India flies cannibalised Migs, HAL doing a good job to make IAF Migs killing machines with best avionic / weapon systems upgrades from France, Israel, etc. So pushing them to their limits is what IAF Migs are mae for. Furthermore they're rugged and their electronics dont go bust, as was the case of many F-16s, A-10s and Apaches in Iraq and Afghanistan.

01-09-2006, 23:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	And the pilots you've lost reflect it.

01-10-2006, 05:09 AM	#26 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	In war and peace, for all Air Forces so to say. "So much owed by so many to so few".

01-10-2006, 05:18 AM	#28 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	Its in the national interests of the country and its Air Force, depending on their adversary's combat enviornment / fighter tactics.

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