Captain Drunk

That was back in WW I and WW II when it boiled down to the man, not the machine and even then 600 RAF Spitfires managed to take down 1700 Luftwaffe or so planes only because the Spits had the upper hand being one of the best capable fighters of the time.

The best skilled F-18, F-14 and Su-30 pilots get to be Super Hornet, Super Tomcat and Super Flanker pilots and not the average skilled guys. By virtue the better the aircraft, the better the pilot. There, now thats the bottomline to prove that the best pilot, higher platform fighter are correlated. It's only the most skilled pilots that get to fly the best fighters, not the average Joe.

Amen.

urmomma158

lol you make me laugh.You want modern examples heres some.An F 4 beat an F 15 pilot.Look at chechnya and how the chechens although outgunned and outmanned still maged to knock the **** out of the Russians. Remember the battle of grozny?The man makes the weapon,the weapon doesn't make the man.

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brahmos_xpt

I THINK AMONG ALL THE OPTIONS PROVIDED FOR THE BEST FIFHTER PILOTS I BELIVE THATS USELESS THERE SHOULD BE USAF, ISRAELI, FRENCH, INDIAN , UK, GERMANY ,CANADA, AUSTRALIA ,
THEN WE CAN CUT SHORT AND GET A FINAL VERDICT

Captain Drunk

Wrong,

What makes a soldier a Sniper? - His Sniper rifle, not his dagger.

What makes a pilot a Stealth pilot? - His Stealth warplane, not his F-16.

The weapon maketh the man, I have proved you wrong every single time!

HistoricalDavid

Not just his sniper rifle. He must be trained in not only the use of his weapon - hello, complicated boring ballistics tables - but also in the art of camouflage, because if he's detected, he will never have the firepower to defend himself against a platoon or company. That means that a ghillie suit and facepaint is almost just as important as the rifle. He must also be trained in fieldcraft to survive with only his spotter for company for days on end, and he must be good at reconaissance to fulfil that particular role.

Give me either an F-22A or an F-16, and they'll be as good as paperweights, because I can't fly them.

No. The man, the weapon, the support and the logistics and plenty of other considerations make the complete combat system.

YellowFever

Lesse...
By this definition..

I have a Intel Core Duo processor, 2GB of RAM and a close to a terrabyte of HD space, all connected to my 52 inch plasma TV.

Ergo, I think I have one of the best computers of anyobe posting on this board....which would make me the best poster ever on WAB!!!

hahahhaha!!

urmomma158

You're insane. Your comparison is garbage you don't even understand the comparison i gave you.read historical davids post repeatedly until you understand it.

Captain Drunk

I stack up more RAM in my assembled comp and boost speed going faster than your Core Duo processor and we play a fighterjet simulation game, I'd be shooting you up every single time Foxbat-style hahaha! V


Almost only his sniper rifle, how's camo, kelvar, etc going to help a SWAT Cop or Commando? In IR vision at night, one shot - they're down! Without their Sniper rifles they're not Snipers at all.

Without zer machinen zer not the mann! Und zhatz juss zhat!

The_Burning_Kid

I say we have YellowFever and CD play a jet fighter simulation against each other (if that's possible) and see who wins.

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Captain Drunk

Provided the F-22 is not used and I'm in a Mig-31 in VR simulated Mach 2.8 with Vympel R-33s I'd say I'd win against anyone pilotting anything. Again the machine....

YellowFever

..........ZOOOOOOM!!!!

(That sound you heard is my point going over your head....again.)

HistoricalDavid

Specify what type of sniper you're talking about. Since this is a military, not police, themed forum, forgive me for assuming what type of sniper you were talking about.

A sniper with camo, training, a good SPOTTER, etc would still be a threat with just an M16A4 with iron sights.

In fact, a SWAT sniper with an iron-sighted M16A4 would still be pretty effective.

And what the hell is a 'Commando', beyond a fancy word which sounds COOL...

Only in your deluded world where you can't answer this point, presumably because it's too scarily mature and level-headed and mundane:

"No. The man, the weapon, the support, the logistics, leadership and plenty of other considerations make the complete combat system."

Captain Drunk

Because the M16A4 like the SR25M is very much a Sniper rifle, semi automatic three round burst....

HistoricalDavid

The whole point was to illustrate that a sniper can function similarly to a sniper without a strict sniper rifle. Duh!

As someone who plays unhealthy quantities of online games, I assure you wholeheartedly that computer power does not equal winning.

Captain Drunk

Wrong - you think even the best sniper would bet his life on a substandard rifle? Ask any sniper, he'll never ever agree with you on that.

Wrong again - a Raptor pilot would never, never, ever agree with you on that one.