lurker

I think they would not sell it.

Why?

Why would you sell a system that can keep all your aircraft, cruise missiles, ICBM's stealty? Without modyfying the airframe, without spending billions on flying bricks and absorbing paint?

This is a perfect first strike weapon for anybody. Even if it woriks only in high aphmosphere.

canoe

Like I said, if it works great. If it doesn't and you guys actually take the time and money to design and configure different modules for all that stuff then mount it on everything its going to be a very expensive failure.

lurker

Not so expensive as Russia's Lunar program was Thanks to the wise world politics, and oil prices increased four-fold last 3 years - Russia have money now.
And it have a will to experiment, and be the pioneer in new areas as it was for a long time.

canoe

Well for the record I'm not chewing it out because its Russian, I'm Canadian and personally don't care whos got the better tech in this area or that area my countries military is a freakin joke at the moment. If the U.S was developing this I'd say 'cool' but would still say it will never work. Given my background and what I know about the specific system (admittly this is alot more limited) I think it fits into the catagory of 'orbital hypersonic bombs', 'the supposid american hypersonic bomber', 'giant death rays from a supposid moonbase' and 'the U.S government being run by aliens'.

lurker

My thoughts precisely. Lets wait until they release some more techical info. Because before they do, even people who know something would just smile instead of an answer.

The_Burning_Kid

It isn't impossible but is near impossible on an aircraft. The problem is that the thing would have to be huge to cover the entire aircraft which it can't. Its a waste.

Also if your generating a plasma screen, it doesn't matter plasma is hot. You can't escape that reality.

Also I only believe things that are actually real not things that some scientist says he/she has done but can't prove it.

lurker

Russians knew about "stealth" as West understands it now long before any western scientists even came to that thing. Just because russians invented the theory behind it.

http://www.techscience.com/books/edem.pdf
“The Lockheed F–117 Stealth Fighter and the Northrop B–2 Stealth Bomber play key roles in today’s United States Air Force. These were the first two major aircraft designs to employ the principles of Pyotr Ufimtsev’s Physical Theory of Diffraction (PTD). Ben Rich, who oversaw the F–117 project as head of Lockheed’s fabled Skunk Works, refers to Professor Ufimtsev’s work as “the Rosetta Stone breakthrough for stealth technology.” At Northrop, where I worked on the B–2 project, we were so enthusiastic about PTD that a co-worker and I sometimes broke into choruses of “Go Ufimtsev” to the tune of “On, Wisconsin.” And so today the rather abstract physics and mathematics developed by this charming and unassuming old-world gentleman are influencing military strategy and tactics and thus helping shape history - not just through the F–117 and the B–2, but through the many military systems of many kinds that now incorporate stealth technology based on PTD.”

But...

"in the 60's in USSR was coducted a study of effectiveness of Ufimtsev idea's. In a couple of aircraft research centers were built models of those aircraft. Extensive tests were conducted on those models. And as a result, our engineers concluded that making of the aircraft on a technology, later called by americans "stealth", is inexpedient.
...
We decided to make our "stealth" on a technology based on a totally different physical principles - said Academician A.S. Koroteev"

Thats why Ufimtsev finally left, and was later working for Northrop Grumman.

canoe

I've heard before the mathmatical theories behind the stealth airframe shape and design originated from a Russian scientist. However the Amercians were obviously the first to get it to a design stage and working on an aircraft. And to date are the only country with the proven capability to operate stealth designed aircraft, largely because of the cost of the aircraft themselves and their maintence.

Frankly for most countries the cost/benefit ratio isen't worth it, for every F22 the U.S buys, Russia can buy a whole pile of cheaper Russian aircraft that are more appriopriate for their needs. I think the more critical area for the Russians will be developing a missile to match or exceed the European Meteor which is more of a immediate threat to Russian aircraft then the Amercian F22's at the moment. Primarly because the Meteor will probably be sold to other countries so theres higher chance of eventually running into someone carrying them, while I don't see the U.S selling F22's to anyone anytime soon.

And for taking out heavily defended ground based SAM sites you can use cruise missiles these days without needing to risk an aircraft at all. Eventually UAV's will be used in this role as well.

Theres alot of areas Russia is deficient in right now and their money could be better spend. The most dire need is clearly their navy which is no longer combat effective (with the exception of the missile boats). The airforce is deficient in alot of technological areas right now with their fighters not being maintained or upgraded as well or often as they should be. Their army has issues more with moral and basic living conditions then with equipment. I think getting buzzed about a stealth plasma generator that will miraculously making all their equipment invisible to radar is just going to sap reasources from more critical and important programs. It also means the Russians may very welll miss the 5th generation fighter benchmark because they designed their aircrafts stealth capabilities around a technoligy thats unproven, untested and may never work.

raptor1992

i believe plasma stealth is possible and can be scary to american pilots. but i wonder how stealthy can plasma stealth be. if a russian aircraft was fitted with this steath and equipted with western avionics the russians would build a fearsome war machine indeed.

tejas_mk

Don't u think the russians would already have thoughtof all these problems. well, i always have no doubt in any of the russian military aviation products. They are the bestin their category. And i'm prettymuch sure that if they have announced something like this, they will definatly come out with something awesome just like when they came out with TVC.

tejas_mk

i think u should leave the "How Stealthy" question to the russians.
And if u think that western avionics are gud then think again pal,
in avionics russians are best. Ex. is Su-30mki, Mig-29MRCA.
U think any aircraft currently in sercive can beat an MKI? i dont think so?No hard feelings though.

ajaybhutani

Many of the the MKI's avionics are not russian but russian israeli french etc.But definitely they are still pretty good in essential stuff like radar, airframe,engine,ECM pods etc. though even the radar processor was changed with an indian one.
F15AESA can possibly do it.
So can F22,EF2000, and F/A18( with AESA).

canoe

If they already had thought and dealt with all those issues all Russian planes would be equipped with plasma stealth already. Given none currently are I'd say they're still dealing with some or all of them.

And this annoucement wasn't from the Russian Government or the Russian military, it was from some Russian scientist who was giving a media interview.

And as for the "well, i always have no doubt in any of the russian military aviation products. They are the bestin their category.". Thats your opinion, I think some Russian aircraft have their strong points and others are crap. Much like various military products from most countries.

canoe

To answer in order:

- russian avionics are the best
Sorry but no way, most first rate foreign buyers won't buy russian avoinics they require Russia equip its aircraft with avoinics made by another country (i.e Isreal which has derived most of their avoinics from Amercian designs). If you want I'll make a detailed posting about this topic specificly. I could go on for several pages on the shortages and problems with Russia acquiring the latest electronic componets (U.S controls most of the worlds supply of the high end military stuff). Also major issues with the Russian airforce keeping their aircraft 'modernized'. To sum most of the big articles up the U.S has the lead in avoinics because they own the latest tech and international tech companies and can afford to put the latest stuff on their aircraft.

your two examples:
Su-30MKI - The avionics arn't Russian, their Isreali.
Mig-29MRCA - Again avoinics arn't Russian, their European

And neither is as good as whats on the F22 Raptor, partly due to cost and partly due to the U.S having cornered the market on some of the key electronic componets.

And can any aircraft beat the MKI:
Yes the F22 would be able to engage it without the MKI evening knowing who was shooting at it. The Eurofighter could also shoot it down, possibly even the Rafale given some of its jamming capabilities. Against older western/european fighters it would be a bit more of a draw.

The_Burning_Kid

Like stated before that is your opinion. We all know that the American aircraft's thought rule with their awesome pwnage

Also TVC was developed by America. Remember the X-31? Yep, even ultra-nationalist can't make up facts.