Best Strike Aircraft - Page 3

indianguy4u · 10-13-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by B.Smitty

No, the F-teens are definitely better, just not enough to consistently take on larger numbers of Jags and Sukhois without AWACS support.

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Jaguar thunder rips US shield
SUJAN DUTTA

New Delhi, Aug. 17: Indian Air Force bombers returned to base today after war games hosted by the US in Alaska in which they claimed to have penetrated through US air defence twice, it was disclosed at a “hot debriefing” at their base in Ambala this afternoon.

The IAF had deployed six Jaguar deep-penetration strike aircraft to Alaska for the fortnight-long Exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 04-01 that ended on July 30. The IAF had also sent two IL-76 heavy-duty transporters, its two new IL-78 refuellers and more than 200 personnel led by Group Captain S. Nanodkar.

Air force sources said the Jaguars had penetrated through defensive cover and scored “direct hits” on ground targets in ranges in Alaska. The war games involved sorties from the Eielson and Elmendorf air force bases. The war games are hosted by the US Pacific Command Air Force.

In February this year, in war games hosted by India named Cope India, IAF MiGs gave the US air force F-15Cs a hard time. It was acknowledged by a US military journal, Inside the Air Force, and by a general of the US Air Combat Command, Hal Hornburg, that the exercise had revealed that the US air force capabilities were not as vastly superior as had been presumed.

Details of war games are slow to emanate because participants do not want to comment before analysing the experience. The team was taken for the “hot debriefing” as a routine in Ambala, the home base of the Jaguars that were deployed, for the IAF top brass to assess the results of the war games.

Exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder 04-01 was a multinational Dissimilar Combat Training Exercise that involved air forces from Asia-Pacific and Nato countries — Canada, the UK, Germany, Mongolia, Singapore, Japan and Malaysia among others. Not all countries deployed fighter aircraft.

The Indian Air Force began an intensive series of international exercises with Exercise Garuda with the French in Gwalior last year. That was an eye-opener for the IAF which took a beating in the drill with French Mirages, some flown by pilots who had seen action in the skies over Kosovo. The French had superior avionics with ability to strike Beyond Visual Range.

In the India-US exercise in February this year, the Americans had deployed ageing aircraft that are part of the US air force frontline but cannot be said to be at the cutting edge, technologically.

The Indian Air Force is now preparing contingents for fresh international exercises in September and October. Next month, an IAF contingent comprising four Mirage 2000 multi-role aircraft from their home base in Gwalior will fly to South Africa for another multinational exercise hosted by the South African Air Force called Exercise Golden Eagle.

The contingent, to be led by Group Captain T.S. Ahluwalia, will leave Gwalior on September 11 and include an IL 79 heavy transporter and an IL 78 refueller. Gwalior is the base for two IAF Mirage squadrons and the Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment that draws up plans for drills and war games. The contingent will fly to Thiruvananthapuram and is likely to touch down in Mauritius and Madagascar.

The South African Air Force is also known to fly a different variant of Mirage fighters. Also participating in Exercise Golden Eagle will be elements of the US, German and the British air forces.

In October, the IAF will engage six F-16 fighters being brought over by the Singapore Air Force.

The IAF does not have the American F-16s in its inventory but the Pakistan Air Force flies the aircraft. The exercises with the Singapore force will include sorties over Kalaikunda, Gwalior and Pokhran in mid-October.

Read the aricle & tell where the su-30s involved?

B.Smitty · 10-13-2005, 13:24 PM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

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Read the aricle & tell where the su-30s involved?

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the Cope India exercise.

I don't put much faith in conclusions drawn from these types of events, without knowing the scenario details, restrictions, etc..

Remember, these are training exercises, not mini-wars. The scenarios are set up to train participants, not to find out "who's better".

indianguy4u · 10-13-2005, 13:34 PM

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Originally Posted by b smitty

I don't put much faith in conclusions drawn from these types of events, without knowing the scenario details, restrictions, etc..

Do u have article on senario undertaken at the alaska exercise.

B.Smitty · 10-13-2005, 15:29 PM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Do u have article on senario undertaken at the alaska exercise.

I don't. And it was undoubtably multiple scenarios, not just one. That kind of thing isn't widely published, AFAIK. You have to dig to find people who where there or people who had knowledge of the exercise.

Bluesman · 10-16-2005, 19:56 PM

Raven, it is the view of THIS USAF man - a REAL one, not a fake, like you - that you should really evaluate how sad a character you are, for trying to impersonate an officer and a gentleman.

You're neither. Get out of our Board, punk.

Warrior_Medic · 10-21-2005, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tejas_mk

I'm an indian, and should have gone 4 Mig - 27 but as much as i have read about all the above listed aircrafts, i think A-10 is the best jaguar comes close. Dont know about rest. if anybody can specify which is best regarding technical specifications,

i would like to hear it.

Mig-27? What a joke! We slaughtered those crappy things in Iraq.

Why don't you Indians buy Western equipment rather than going for the ghetto stuff.

lurker · 10-21-2005, 03:46 AM

Mig-27? How about Mig-15? Or Mig-1?

This stuff is 35 years old. Girls in short skirts can shoot it down.

If you are comparing A-10 - compare with Su-25 or Su-39. All Mig-27's in Russia were decomissioned long time ago.

Warrior_Medic · 10-21-2005, 20:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

Mig-27? How about Mig-15? Or Mig-1?

This stuff is 35 years old. Girls in short skirts can shoot it down.

If you are comparing A-10 - compare with Su-25 or Su-39. All Mig-27's in Russia were decomissioned long time ago.

Dude, Communism is dead. Get rid of the Red Star on your avatar!

Maximus · 11-04-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lurker

Mig-27? How about Mig-15? Or Mig-1?

This stuff is 35 years old. Girls in short skirts can shoot it down.

If you are comparing A-10 - compare with Su-25 or Su-39. All Mig-27's in Russia were decomissioned long time ago.

Nothing compares to A-10. Not even the Su-25.

Captain Drunk · 01-10-2006, 22:15 PM

I'd give it up for the Tornado. Apart from having the most sophisticated ECM, avionics / fighter weapons suite has the maximum ordinance - cluster bombs, etc., than all the other fighters. Also being a fast nap-of-the-earth flyer with terrain mapping radar, its not as vulnerable as an A-10 to ground fire.

canoe · 01-10-2006, 22:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

I'd give it up for the Tornado. Apart from having the most sophisticated ECM, avionics / fighter weapons suite has the maximum ordinance - cluster bombs, etc., than all the other fighters. Also being a fast nap-of-the-earth flyer with terrain mapping radar, its not as vulnerable as an A-10 to ground fire.

For strike missions I'd tend to agree, although the A-10 has got close air support totally locked up.

hello · 02-23-2006, 06:02 AM

The F-15E Strike Eagle should be on this, its the best for strike while A-10 is best for CAS.

Anon · 03-13-2006, 20:29 PM

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Originally Posted by B.Smitty

Of that unimpressive list, the Tornado is the best by a good margin.
The A-10 is slow and wheezy and only now becoming more than a fair weather CAS aircraft.

You know not what you say.

I will forgive your ignorance. You have never had the opportunity to witness for yourself what kind of adversary an A-10 is.

Even in exercizes, it becomes readily apparent the first time you face A-10s in armored vehicles that you are absolutely at their mercy.

On top of that the A-10s ability to withstand battle damage is the stuff of legend.

When used in it's element for it's intended role, the A-10 is one of the most efficient and dominant killing machines ever designed.

The A-10 ThunderBolt II: It Kills tanks dead.
~Fairchild republic promotional slogan

-{SpoonmaN}- · 03-13-2006, 23:20 PM

A-10 for CAS, it is an entirely purpose built aircraft in that sense.
Tornado for true Strike, it's got the avionics for precision and survivability, and I'm led to believe that it's also got reasonable air-to-air capabilities. Otherwise, the Mirage is rather old, the Jaguar seems past it's time, as does the MiG-27 (Which may have never been that special in the first place, isn't it built out of a 3rd Gen. interceptor?).
Maybe the AV-8 should have been included on the list, since it's all about CAS.

Anon · 03-14-2006, 00:08 AM

The AV-8 is almost surely the most vulnerable modern fixed wing combat aircraft operated by the west due to the location of the hot air nozzles and it's single engine design.

View Poll Results: Which is the best dedicated strike/ground attack aircrafT?
A-10 Warthog	61	48.80%
MiG-27	25	20.00%
SEPECAT Jaguar	8	6.40%
Mirage V	4	3.20%
Tornado Gr.4	27	21.60%
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lurker Contributor Join Date: 08-12-03 Posts: 696	Mig-27? How about Mig-15? Or Mig-1? This stuff is 35 years old. Girls in short skirts can shoot it down. If you are comparing A-10 - compare with Su-25 or Su-39. All Mig-27's in Russia were decomissioned long time ago. __________________ Long time we thought that a million monkeys in front of a million typewriters would eventually type William Shakespeare's complete works. After invention of the Internet, we understand that it's not true. Last edited by lurker : 10-21-2005 at 03:56 AM.

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01-10-2006, 22:15 PM	#40 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	I'd give it up for the Tornado. Apart from having the most sophisticated ECM, avionics / fighter weapons suite has the maximum ordinance - cluster bombs, etc., than all the other fighters. Also being a fast nap-of-the-earth flyer with terrain mapping radar, its not as vulnerable as an A-10 to ground fire.

02-23-2006, 06:02 AM	#42 (permalink)
hello Contributor Join Date: 05-31-05 Posts: 683	The F-15E Strike Eagle should be on this, its the best for strike while A-10 is best for CAS.

03-13-2006, 23:20 PM	#44 (permalink)
-{SpoonmaN}- Death, the Destroyer of Worlds... *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-08-04 Location: The badlands of West London. Posts: 1,455 Country:	A-10 for CAS, it is an entirely purpose built aircraft in that sense. Tornado for true Strike, it's got the avionics for precision and survivability, and I'm led to believe that it's also got reasonable air-to-air capabilities. Otherwise, the Mirage is rather old, the Jaguar seems past it's time, as does the MiG-27 (Which may have never been that special in the first place, isn't it built out of a 3rd Gen. interceptor?). Maybe the AV-8 should have been included on the list, since it's all about CAS.

03-14-2006, 00:08 AM	#45 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	The AV-8 is almost surely the most vulnerable modern fixed wing combat aircraft operated by the west due to the location of the hot air nozzles and it's single engine design.

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