Garry

As far as I understood F-15SG is a version close to F-15K. Jgetti would be more competent to reply.

However I now understand that F-15SG does not have any advantage in terms of engine efficiency nor payload over Su-34. Twist was in CFT fuel.

Su-34 and F-15SG are very close in terms of TOTAL PAYLOAD (Su-34 has slighly more), while F-15SG has 2,000 higher TOTAL PAYLOAD than MKI, and less than Su-35 prototype. That is because MKI has large amount of steel parts while F-15SG has larger share made of titanium, while Su-32/34 and Su-35 which were redesigned in mid-1990-es have larger share of titanium.

OK. Back to the issue. Su-34 has INTERNAL fuel of 11800kg and can cary another 2,000 in drop tanks. F-15SG carries 6000kg INTERNALLY and UP TO 3000kg in CFT (this figure is given by my source - Canoe stated up to 9818 kg in CFT). If this figures correct => Su-34 has more internal fuel than F-15SG has internal + CFT.

When Snipe pointed 12 tons combat load this assumed F-15SG having NO CFT and only part of its internal fuel => extremelly low range/radius. CFT installed combat load should be much lower.

So, this aircraft are actually match in basic load/range parameters but SG has HIGHER flexibility in this trade off. It can vary its weapon load UP TO 12tons, against 8 tons in Su-34. It has LESS maximum fuel load comared to Su-34 which can have total fuel of almost 14tons (with drop tanks).

In terms of engines..... I know so few that would be interested to hear your oppinion on AL-31F vs GE-F110-200

ps. Jgetty please correct me if I made wrong statemets or mistakes!

jgetti

All E variants are multi-role aircraft.

Internal fuel is 5952kg, and external fuel totals 9818 kg (4423kg in CFT's and 5395 kg in drop tanks).

Johnekgun

The A-4 was a pretty good strike platform in its day. It is still in use by two navies that I can remember off the top of my head. Its been said it could carry its wieght in bombs. I am not sure about that but it surely carried alot of bombs ( both smart and dumb varieties ) for such a light aircraft.

The A-1 Skyraider outlined in design by the same man that led the design team for the A-4 Skyhawk was also a pretty good strike platform for a prop job.

Garry

Then F-15SG would have more MAXIMUM FUEL and MAXIMUM LOAD giving wider trade off.

Su-34 TOTAL MAXIMUM fuel is 13800 kg = (INTERNAL 11800 + DROP tanks 2000)

F-15SG TOTAL MAXIMUM fuel is 15770 kg = (INTERNAL 5352+ CFT 4423+ DROP tanks 5395)

Engines are comparable in terms of fuel efficiency. So it is matter of fuel loaded instead of weapons.

Hence in line with above the two are a match for range/load parameters, with F-15 having wider range in fuel vs load tradeoff.

Is it now objective estimation on this two parameters?

Zaphael

Frankly speaking, i would never pick the Su-34 over the F-15SG no matter what u say. The aircraft we operate are majority from USA or NATO, hence all our weapons and technologies were to be integrated with all our aircraft that way.

There is no way we could load a JDAM, or even AMRAAM on the Su-34. Acquiring an Su would be stabbing ourselves in our logistics operations for the airforce. And its the logistics that keep our a/c in the air.

So as far as I'm concerned, the F-15SG is the best strike fighter.

SRB

If there is in poll A-10 where is Su-25 or upgrade version Su-39 which is today best CAS plane in world especially because A-10 is not longer in production.
If Su-39 use DU rounds it can be good tank buster but it is guided missile tank buster.
Simple if there is A-10 than there must be Su-39 .

Garry

Yes, that is why F-15SG was priced twice more. Once you get yourself a strategic supplier switching cost becomes too high.... hence this strategic supplier can price you up. Moreover.... US would support Singapore in case of agression while Russia would be just happy to sell weapons to both Singapore and Malaisia.

usplanefan67

I think he was shooting for aircraft in service

A-10 above all else..

Captain Drunk

The Yak 141 would be better than them both.

FORCEXXI

Out of that list, easily the A-10. A nice GAU-8 cannon, and JDAM capability. Carries full-sprectrum of weapons.

I am quite surprised the F-15E wasn't mentioned. The F-15E is probably the better strike aircraft out of all of them.

master_fx

Tornado Gr.4!

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PubFather

Are you insane?? GR4 is a decent bird but by no means anything special - its a medicore bomb truck these days - due to the conversion from low-level penetrator to medium level bomber....

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usplanefan67

I may sound stupid but whats a GR4???

Anon

A Tornado IDS.

troung

Sorta apples and oranges with the MiG-27, Jaguar and Mirage-5 being more in the same class then the A-10 and Tornado.

But hell the A-10 is the best. It is not fair to class the others with the A-10.

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