What happened 2 indian 126 multiorole fighters

**tphuang** · 24 May 06,, 18:25

Originally Posted by highsea

Why would India even consider swapping a subsonic LIF/trainer for a full-up fighter?

The I-2000 was never developed by Russia anyway, they sold it to Iran, where it's being developed as the Shafaq. Search the back threads, it's already been discussed here.

Here's some more:

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=399

it made no sense to me either, but a lot of people on several other forums were apparently treating this as authentic news and seemed to be excited that India will have a "5th generation plane" now. I have no previous dealings with Force Mag and Indian news, so I would not know that it's not credible.

**indianguy4u** · 25 May 06,, 05:22

Originally Posted by Garry

I asked about that but managers from Irkut explained to me that it will be good only for troops transport not that good as passenger aircraft.....

They explained that in order to cary heavy loades like tanks etc..... the frame is made more heavy than it is economic for a pure passenger aircraft..... hence on per seat it will be not economic...

He also explained to me that passenger aircraft converted into cargo is more competitive than a standart millitary transporter if used for a small size cargo which is loaded without ramp.

Either from a news article or forums i read that MTA could be made into civilian airliner. But u being closer to event, must be knowing more.

Some specs got from the MTA video

18.5 tons payload,
870 km/h speed,
2500 km range,
Size of pressurised cabin 18.85m long,3.45m wide & 3.4m high,
ramp is rated @ 5 tons,
Its cabin can hold 82 troops or 74 paratroopers in full combact gear,
Can also carry 60 casulaties in strechers.

**Serbianpsyco** · 27 May 06,, 13:24

well india has a lot of money but why dont you guys get 200 raffles.

**hello** · 27 May 06,, 17:45

200 raffles? Well, that isn't such a bad idea, it gives you 200 times more chance to win the lottery.

Anyway, India only wants 126 fighters, not 200. Rafales are the most expensive, but most capable. F/A-18E/F and MiG-35 is also good. I suggest they should eliminate the Mirage from the buy options, that thing is a really old design. India probably won't get the F-16 either though, mainly because Pakistan has them and it would look like copying. Anyway, if you desperately want to win a lottery, you can cancel the deal and go for 200 raffles instead.

Spelling mistakes can sometimes change an idea into senseless blabbering.

**Fireball** · 27 May 06,, 18:20

Originally Posted by Serbianpsyco

well india has a lot of money but why dont you guys get 200 raffles.

India wants MRCA program to complement Su30MKI not to surpass it

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200 Rafael will cost like 12/13 billion $. thats around one year defence budget for India.

But there is a flip side. after Saudi Arabia ordered eurofighters india needs to go for a decent fighter, as Saudi equipment and funds are usually seconded to Pakistan in trouble period.

Regards
Sid

**indianguy4u** · 27 May 06,, 19:12

200 Rafael will cost like 12/13 billion $. thats around one year defence budget for India

1 rafale costs 120 million, which @ present isnt even come with meteor, AESA, full multirole capabilities. All of which should come by year 2012/13 with increase cost obviously

. So 200 would be around 24 Billion USD w/o weapons, training, tech transfer etc.

**Archer** · 27 May 06,, 20:10

Originally Posted by tphuang

i seriously don't think APG-79 is any more advanced than APG-80..

Larger aperture if I am not wrong, hence more tiles and greater range etc.

**Archer** · 27 May 06,, 20:11

Originally Posted by Garry

May be MiG-35 OVT. I am getting lost in their so many names.

Regarding range I was not told figure but he stated "range which is just as Su-27UBK before it was upgraded"

By the way they did not answer the question about fifth generation fighter project, asked by Indian reporter. Indian reporter asked if India will participate in development of the light fifth generation fighter. His reply was - It is not MIG who would decide. Design of fifth generation fighter means SHARING a lot of sensitive information which can be done in case if politically FIRM ALY RELATIONSHIPS are established.

Anything more about radar and about the MKI program?

**Serbianpsyco** · 28 May 06,, 02:15

alright i didnt know they cost 120million i thought 60million tops no i see why they aint getting any good sales for the plane. well maybe they could get the F-18 Super hornet for 53million dollars a piece the brand new one. Thats what i heard they cost 53million with tranning and weapons ect beacuse they offered the deal with Bulgaria that doesnt have money like India. Beacuse the F-18 wouldnt be that bad for your aircraft carriers and for other things like that it has a bigger range then your Mig 29s.

**Archer** · 28 May 06,, 05:53

How many times does this have to come up? The 126 are for the air force, not the Navy!

**Serbianpsyco** · 30 May 06,, 12:48

just calm down im just saying the f-18 could be used on a aircraft carrier. If your having bad day just drink a couple happy pills and ull be fine.

**indianguy4u** · 30 May 06,, 15:42

Originally Posted by Serbianpsyco

just calm down im just saying the f-18 could be used on a aircraft carrier. If your having bad day just drink a couple happy pills and ull be fine.

How can an AC procured by AF be used for Navy?Its basically a diff version & not the same US Navy version.

Why will an AF want to get a AC which would be optimsed for carrier landsings when it doesnt need that capability? AC for carrier operations are heavier due to extensive modification on its under carriage, to be able to handle the rigours of such enviournment. The AF version would be lighter & hence wont be capable of carrier landings.

**~~Captain Drunk~~** · 30 May 06,, 16:18

I don't think we're gonna get those 126 fighters so soon. We don't need any new substandard 4th gen. fighters as of now, having over 500 Mig-21s, being Mach 2+ with AA-11 and AA-12s which are a big deterrence anyway. Then there are the 165 Floggers, 40 Mirages and a whole lot of Mig-29s and Su MKIs. This procurement is going to drag on until 2010 I'm sure and suddenly Russias gonna roll up its shop shutters and offer India something brand new - a 5th gen. Mig or Sukhoi

I'm sure the Russians are keeping everything under tight wraps for secretive purposes, then expose their technology when they have an edge over everyone else.

I don't think we're as crazy as to go buy some early 1980s fighters, that too 126 if I may add, to serve us for the next 30-35 years.

**tphuang** · 30 May 06,, 18:10

Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

I don't think we're gonna get those 126 fighters so soon. We don't need any new substandard 4th gen. fighters as of now, having over 500 Mig-21s, being Mach 2+ with AA-11 and AA-12s which are a big deterrence anyway. Then there are the 165 Floggers, 40 Mirages and a whole lot of Mig-29s and Su MKIs. This procurement is going to drag on until 2010 I'm sure and suddenly Russias gonna roll up its shop shutters and offer India something brand new - a 5th gen. Mig or Sukhoi

I'm sure the Russians are keeping everything under tight wraps for secretive purposes, then expose their technology when they have an edge over everyone else.

I don't think we're as crazy as to go buy some early 1980s fighters, that too 126 if I may add, to serve us for the next 30-35 years.

yes, but only 125 of those Mig-21 got the bison upgrade.