Best BVR AA Missile

**Franco Lolan** · 16 Aug 05,, 02:08

AIM-120C, the upcoming AIM-120D, the Meteor, the R-77?

**Unipidity** · 16 Aug 05,, 03:07

AN unfair comparison; two totally different generations of missiles here. Two stage missiles are slated to have a vastly better range than the current BVRMs. The -D is obviously going to be better than the R-77 and -C; and from what I hear, the 2 way datalink gives is a (minor?) advantage over Meteor as well. But not the range- maybe as little as 2/3rds.

And you cant find good figures for the range/no-escape envelopes of Russian missiles. At least not to my knowledge.

And does anyone have any info on the next-gen US missile/FMRAAM/whatever? I found a Jane's article, but lack subscription.

**Bill** · 16 Aug 05,, 03:16

AIM-54C Sealed/ECCM.

**Franco Lolan** · 17 Aug 05,, 04:33

Its dead. What of the Meteor? It seems superior to any missile right now.

**hello** · 17 Aug 05,, 15:13

AMRAAM VFDR (Variable Flow Ducted Ramjet).

**~~raptor1992~~** · 17 Aug 05,, 19:32

AIM-120C and AIM-54C. these can knock out a aircraft, say flanker with ease. welllll maybe not that much ease. hehe

**Bill** · 17 Aug 05,, 21:59

"Its dead."

So?

"What of the Meteor? It seems superior to any missile right now."

On paper maybe. It's not in service with any nation, and is still a prototype, if that.

**leib10** · 17 Aug 05,, 22:10

Originally Posted by raptor1992

AIM-120C and AIM-54C. these can knock out a aircraft, say flanker with ease. welllll maybe not that much ease. hehe

These get my votes.

**brownboi4eva** · 17 Aug 05,, 23:31

Isnt the R-77 better than the AMRAAM....cuz wikipedia thinks so...

**avon1944** · 18 Aug 05,, 03:46

> raptor 1992
> AIM-120C and AIM-54C. these can knock out a aircraft, say flanker with ease. welllll
> maybe not that much ease
Actaully, many aircraft if the pilot knows he has been fired upon can maneuver to defeat a missile.
I remember reading in AW&ST about a F-15C kill of a MiG.-29. As the F-15C fired the Slammer Missiles the MiG pilot realized he was under attack and he maneuvered his aircraft to keep the missile on his "3/9" line. The MiG pilot was able to defeat the first Slammer Missile but unfortunately, The F-15 pilot probably figured the missile shot was a low percentage for he "ripple fired" two Slammer Missiles about five to ten second apart. While the first missile missed at that point the MiG was at a low energy state and was an easy kill for the second missile! The second missile not only made the kill but also prevented the MiG from going on the offensive. One of many advantages of the ARH missiles have over the SARH missiles.

Adrian

**Bill** · 18 Aug 05,, 04:04

The 3-9 line technique is called beaming. Very effective technique, but again, you have to know the missile is coming.

An AIM-54C dives in from 100,000 feet at a speed of Mach 5+(3,000+ mph), and the motor is burned out long before the missile ever enters visual range.

For all intents and purposes, an AIM-54C is invisible to the naked eye as it dives on it's target at a steep energy retaining angle.

The AIM-54C seeker goes active 20,000 yards from the target. That leaves the target at best 9.2 seconds from first warning to impact to outmaneuever the 19G 135lb blast-frag warhead Phoenix WITHOUT a visual cue and get out of it's lethal radius.

No thanx.

**lemontree** · 18 Aug 05,, 07:16

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

The AIM-54C seeker goes active 20,000 yards from the target. That leaves the target at best 9.2 seconds from first warning to impact to outmaneuever the 19G 135lb blast-frag warhead Phoenix WITHOUT a visual cue and get out of it's lethal radius.

But enough time to reach for the ejection handle.

**Fairthought** · 18 Aug 05,, 10:53

If the Phoenix was officially retired last year, what long range AA missile replaced it? Specifically for the US navy. All I have found are short range and medium range AA missles.

**leib10** · 18 Aug 05,, 15:01

Originally Posted by lemontree

But enough time to reach for the ejection handle.

Whether the pilot is in or out of the plane upon detonation, it results in the loss of the plane.

**Garry** · 18 Aug 05,, 15:31

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

The 3-9 line technique is called beaming. Very effective technique, but again, you have to know the missile is coming.

An AIM-54C dives in from 100,000 feet at a speed of Mach 5+(3,000+ mph), and the motor is burned out long before the missile ever enters visual range.

For all intents and purposes, an AIM-54C is invisible to the naked eye as it dives on it's target at a steep energy retaining angle.

The AIM-54C seeker goes active 20,000 yards from the target. That leaves the target at best 9.2 seconds from first warning to impact to outmaneuever the 19G 135lb blast-frag warhead Phoenix WITHOUT a visual cue and get out of it's lethal radius.

No thanx.

Is it possible to identify the fired missile with a radar when missle is silent and not communicating to its pilot?

Does communication with pilot while guiding/adjusting trajectory give a signla sufficient for indentification?

I heard that newest radars can see a basket ball in 200km distance.... (it was a word statement though)