Thread: Light Combat Aircraft(lCA) and Combat Aircraft Trainer(CAT)

Originally Posted by indianguy4u

But tphuang do recheck ur info about j10 defeating su-30mkk. Single engine medium wt AC vs Double engine heavy wt AC.

Do post a link in english about the same if u could.

F-16 block 60 is better than all variants of su-27 despite only have one engine, it's really not that hard to believe. Alright, I will pick one out, but they are mostly Chinese.

Originally Posted by tphuang

F-16 block 60 is better than all variants of su-27 despite only have one engine, it's really not that hard to believe. Alright, I will pick one out, but they are mostly Chinese.

Dont think so.

An aircraft being good or bad is not necessarily equated to it beating aircraft y. The J-10 may have certainly beaten a Sukhoi in a dogfight but one needs to know more about the conditions in which such an air to air victory happened, even in training, things are not straight forward. When it comes to looking at an aircraft, what matters most is if it satisfies all preset requirements. Until the LCA does that it will not be successful, it will be in the process of testing.

Originally Posted by Sameer

An aircraft being good or bad is not necessarily equated to it beating aircraft y. The J-10 may have certainly beaten a Sukhoi in a dogfight but one needs to know more about the conditions in which such an air to air victory happened, even in training, things are not straight forward. When it comes to looking at an aircraft, what matters most is if it satisfies all preset requirements. Until the LCA does that it will not be successful, it will be in the process of testing.

this is an article by a person who supposedly saw the J-10 in its exercise again su-30mkk.
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/crit.../11661108.html
Basically, he stated that the speed and maneouverability of J-10 is visibly better despite carrying a lot more weapons. He also said that doesn't necessarily mean J-10 is better overall than su-30mkk, but just from what he can see, J-10 made su-30mkk look like su-27 vs J-8.
I can't remember where I read it, but I believe that J-10 generally beat su-30mkk in dogfights and BVR fights (different A2A combat), but su-30mkk was better with ground attacks and precision strikes.

As for J-10 vs su-27, it happened so long ago that I can only find some commentaries on it like this.
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/crit.../12054472.html
Basically, most people do state that J-10 beat su-27 5:0 in different A2A types of combats. They said that it is possible the condition of the fight had something to do with the result, but they would not know what those conditions are.

I think there was another encounter between J-10 and su-27/J11/mkk and J-10 also finished on top. In all, there were 3 major encounters in 3 different places in China and J-10 did better in A2A combat all 3 times.

Of course, this is a lot of circumstantial evidence. You also have to judge by the actions of Chinese government to determine things. And I don't believe every piece of news that I read.

tphuang,
What i have understand of delta wings is that it is not favourable to manevourability, turnrates etc. Then how can j-10 out maneouver su-30mkk. Also su30 carry 8000lb of inventory, what the payload for j-10?

Originally Posted by indianguy4u

tphuang,
What i have understand of delta wings is that it is not favourable to manevourability, turnrates etc. Then how can j-10 out maneouver su-30mkk. Also su30 carry 8000lb of inventory, what the payload for j-10?

I will be honest. I'm not a airplane expert, so I can't really explain why it has good manevourability. However, this is mentionned in sinodefense:
"The single-engine J-10 fighter is similar in size to the Lockheed Martin F-16, with a rectangle belly air intake, low-mounted delta wings and a pair of from canard wings. The design is aerodynamically unstable, to provide a high level of agility, low drag and enhanced lift."
I'm not sure if that is just made up stuff. As for payload, it's being mentionned anywhere from 4500KG to 8400 KG. I favour the 7000 KG number, because I've seen many instances of it and that it matches the payload of early models of F-16.

Originally Posted by tphuang

I'm not a airplane expert

Same here. Reading & trying to understand terms .