Two seat F22?

magic-spaceship · 07-15-2005, 19:00 PM

Is there a two seat version of the F22 for training, or will all training be done in the simualtor?

Enzo Ferrari · 07-16-2005, 08:46 AM

You mean FB-22?

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/auth...p?author=A2076

http://www.geocities.com/xplanes2000/FB-22new.jpg

magic-spaceship · 07-16-2005, 14:04 PM

No I mean a two seat F22 for training. I cant think of one recent american plane that didnt have a two seat trainer other than the F117. F22 are being put into production and being introduced into airforce use, but there is no two seat trainer to go along with the new plane.

-{SpoonmaN}- · 07-18-2005, 01:23 AM

I guess they'll do it all by simulators then. I'm surprised they'd give such a massively expensive aircraft to a pilot who'd never flown it for real without having an instructor, but I guess sims are pretty advanced these days.

highsea · 07-18-2005, 05:35 AM

There never was any intention to build a two-seater trainer version. Current simulators are extremely sophisticated. IIRC, all F-22 pilots are selected from experienced F-15 pilots, and they make about 18 simulator flights before taking the Raptor up for the first time.

There is very preliminary work done for a two-seater F-35, but it is an EA version, not a trainer, so it will be the same way- just some sim time, then go.

In both cases, the AC is really not very hard to fly compared to say, and F-15, and the computer won't let you get into trouble.

BenRoethig · 07-19-2005, 14:45 PM

The F-22B was cut for cost reasons. Same for the TF-35.

highsea · 07-19-2005, 15:15 PM

And also the F-22B should not be confused with the FB-22. One was the proposed trainer, and the other is the proposed Interim Bomber.

Anon · 07-19-2005, 15:44 PM

". I cant think of one recent american plane that didnt have a two seat trainer other than the F117."

A-10

magic-spaceship · 07-19-2005, 17:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

". I cant think of one recent american plane that didnt have a two seat trainer other than the F117."

A-10

true but they did make a 2 seat version of it - at least one any way

Anon · 07-19-2005, 22:00 PM

They made three NAW birds, but they're not trainers, they were night all weather attack variants, and none of them ever entered service.

magic-spaceship · 07-19-2005, 23:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

They made three NAW birds, but they're not trainers, they were night all weather attack variants, and none of them ever entered service.

yeah I know - I was just being a ass

**TopHatter** · 07-21-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic-spaceship

yeah I know - I was just being a ass

oh yeah? Well two can play that game!

highsea · 07-21-2005, 11:08 AM

^^^ Lol. Airbus.

I've seen the 3-seater, never knew there was a 4-seater out there...

07-15-2005, 19:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
magic-spaceship Regular Join Date: 06-23-05 Posts: 99	Two seat F22? Is there a two seat version of the F22 for training, or will all training be done in the simualtor?

07-18-2005, 05:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,473	There never was any intention to build a two-seater trainer version. Current simulators are extremely sophisticated. IIRC, all F-22 pilots are selected from experienced F-15 pilots, and they make about 18 simulator flights before taking the Raptor up for the first time. There is very preliminary work done for a two-seater F-35, but it is an EA version, not a trainer, so it will be the same way- just some sim time, then go. In both cases, the AC is really not very hard to fly compared to say, and F-15, and the computer won't let you get into trouble. __________________ My baby called me up. She said- Why don't you ever take me out? Pick me up in your brand new car....You shake the short change from the old fruit jar...

07-19-2005, 14:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
BenRoethig *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 01-03-04 Location: Dubuque, IA Posts: 1,047 Country:	The F-22B was cut for cost reasons. Same for the TF-35. __________________ F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: The Honda Accord of fighters.

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07-16-2005, 08:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Enzo Ferrari Patron Join Date: 04-15-05 Posts: 189	You mean FB-22? http://www.ospreypublishing.com/auth...p?author=A2076 http://www.geocities.com/xplanes2000/FB-22new.jpg

07-16-2005, 14:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
magic-spaceship Regular Join Date: 06-23-05 Posts: 99	No I mean a two seat F22 for training. I cant think of one recent american plane that didnt have a two seat trainer other than the F117. F22 are being put into production and being introduced into airforce use, but there is no two seat trainer to go along with the new plane.

07-18-2005, 01:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
-{SpoonmaN}- Death, the Destroyer of Worlds... *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-08-04 Location: The badlands of West London. Posts: 1,455 Country:	I guess they'll do it all by simulators then. I'm surprised they'd give such a massively expensive aircraft to a pilot who'd never flown it for real without having an instructor, but I guess sims are pretty advanced these days.

07-19-2005, 15:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,473	And also the F-22B should not be confused with the FB-22. One was the proposed trainer, and the other is the proposed Interim Bomber.

07-19-2005, 15:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	". I cant think of one recent american plane that didnt have a two seat trainer other than the F117." A-10

07-19-2005, 22:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	They made three NAW birds, but they're not trainers, they were night all weather attack variants, and none of them ever entered service.

07-21-2005, 11:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,473	^^^ Lol. Airbus. I've seen the 3-seater, never knew there was a 4-seater out there...

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