View Poll Results: which is the best fighter

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  • Su-47

    11 5.98%
  • F/A-22

    120 65.22%
  • F-35

    8 4.35%
  • MiG-1.42

    4 2.17%
  • Su-30MKI

    38 20.65%
  • F/A-18E/F

    3 1.63%
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    Won't UCAVs and F-35s take the F-15Es role or is this an A10-like case where continuous upgrades keep it going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello
    Won't UCAVs and F-35s take the F-15Es role or is this an A10-like case where continuous upgrades keep it going?

    E's will be continuously upgraded,, I've even heard many will be getting AESA radars installed. F-35 does not have the range or payload capability to replace the E. The E was designed as a replacement for the F-111,, a long range bomber. UCAV will have it's place,, but I don't see any permanent replacement for the piloted role of regional bomber any time soon.

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    Actually, I think- given equal pilots and a perfectly functioning aircraft- that the F-22 would be practically unbeatable in aerial combat. In theory the aircraft should be incredibly manueverable, but I'm dismayed at the way we're counting on uplinks to "help" the pilot, and in limited ways, even control the aircraft. ECM technology has gotten incredibly complex, so anytime a pilot is so dependent on a datalink it bothers me- and jamming technology has increased exponentially over the last decade. In general aviation, there is a concern that pilots are losing their skills because of high-tech gadgetry in their aircraft, and I believe this is a relevant concern with military hardware and pilots as well. After Korea, american pilots began losing their flying skills- many aircraft were built without machine guns or cannons, and dogfighting was barely touched in flight training- all because this super new technology called the air-to-air missile was supposed to make head-to-head confrontation a thing of the past. Turned out to be entirely wrong- thus the formation of advanced training facilities and programs like the Navy's Top Gun and the Air Force's Red Flag. I think the current trend towards technological solutions is the same mistake with different wording. Only time will tell, though, I suppose.
    As for the AWACS, sure they are a serious advantage over the battlefield- but they can be taken out, and if the pilots and planes are totally dependent on them, the loss of one would be a major blow to effectiveness, not to mention morale and confidence. Pilots are just people- if they are trained that the AWACS (or similar) are their lifeline, a major component of their survivability- if they lose it they lose confidence in their ability to win. The focus needs to be on the man (or woman), not the machine.

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    Taking out the AWACS is the tough part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    Taking out the AWACS is the tough part.
    Taking it out by knocking it down isn't easy, sure enough- although not impossible. Rendering it impotent with active and passive jamming or other means of ECM isn't quite as difficult- depending, of course, on who the enemy is. I see us coming to blows with China at some point- it seems inevitable to me- and their technology is head and shoulders above terrorist cells'. Regardless, I believe fighter aircraft should be as self contained as possible...the ability to act autonomously is vital. The AWACS is an invaluable tool, no doubt...but the old saying about all the eggs in one basket comes to mind.

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    What is airframe lifetime of an -E? 15,000 hrs? Less? Got to be 20 years left in some of them though. And its not as though China will be getting rid of its MKKs just because they cant compete with F-22s. They'll be around for decades most likely.

    The F-15 and F-35 have similar combat radii, dont they? circa 600nm? And for longer range strike, F-15 payload goes down to about 10k lbs. Though I dont know what F-35 payload is like under similar circumstances.

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    I say the JF-17 is the best fighter on the planet! It is painted by citizens of the land of the pure, therefore it must be the best. It will shoot down all the F-22s and Su-30MKIs the infidels throw at it, since Pakistani pilots are the bravest and greatest pilots on the planet.

    INSHALLAH!!!!

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    The F-22s own onboard APG-77 is head and shoulders above anything any threat aircraft possesses, and does not advertise the F-22s position.

    It's important to keep in mind that to date the F-22 doesn't even have a link installed.

    It's done what it's done in mock combat with it's own onboard sensors and have quick radios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Su-47MKI
    I say the JF-17 is the best fighter on the planet! It is painted by citizens of the land of the pure, therefore it must be the best. It will shoot down all the F-22s and Su-30MKIs the infidels throw at it, since Pakistani pilots are the bravest and greatest pilots on the planet.

    INSHALLAH!!!!
    How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgetti
    E's will be continuously upgraded,, I've even heard many will be getting AESA radars installed. F-35 does not have the range or payload capability to replace the E. The E was designed as a replacement for the F-111,, a long range bomber. UCAV will have it's place,, but I don't see any permanent replacement for the piloted role of regional bomber any time soon.
    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Su-47MKI
    I say the JF-17 is the best fighter on the planet! It is painted by citizens of the land of the pure, therefore it must be the best. It will shoot down all the F-22s and Su-30MKIs the infidels throw at it, since Pakistani pilots are the bravest and greatest pilots on the planet.

    INSHALLAH!!!!


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    I think SU47 was just being sarcastic, lol.

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    If that's the case I'll retract my statement, but I've seen lots of equally stupid statements made in complete seriousness. Sarcasm doesn't translate over the internet well, that's what the smilies are for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith601
    If that's the case I'll retract my statement, but I've seen lots of equally stupid statements made in complete seriousness. Sarcasm doesn't translate over the internet well, that's what the smilies are for.

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    See, i knew he was being sarcastic.

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