F-22 vs. Su-37 who would win

raptor1992 · 06-21-2005, 15:39 PM

what would you guys think would win? Su-37 or F-22? i think they'll tie

bigross86 · 06-21-2005, 16:07 PM

F/a-22.

highsea · 06-21-2005, 16:25 PM

Gee, that's a tough one...

Considering that the only Su-37's that ever flew were prototypes that didn't have any weapons, I will put my money on the F-22.

**TopHatter** · 06-21-2005, 16:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highsea

Gee, that's a tough one...

Considering that the only Su-37's that ever flew were prototypes that didn't have any weapons, I will put my money on the F-22.

Considering that the "true" stats on both aircraft are guarded like a daughter's virture, I doubt we could even make a paper comparison.

Having said that, I do see the F/A-22 in frontline service and the Su-37 is....not

And now having said THAT: For sheer looks and kick-azz paint scheme, I'll be cutting a check for an Su-47 a few days from now.

Then I'll throw myself out a 40th story window when the check bounces....

highsea · 06-21-2005, 17:06 PM

I don't need to know the "true" stats to know which one is superior. The most important piece of equipment for any pilot in any aircraft who faces a F-22 in combat is his ejection seat.

Anon · 06-21-2005, 18:13 PM

The F-22 is the most dominating all weather multirole fighter ever devised by man.

End of story.

raptor1992 · 06-21-2005, 19:44 PM

i think the F-22's stealth gives it a tremendous advantage. btw what is F-22's radar signature

highsea · 06-21-2005, 19:55 PM

The commonly quoted value for frontal RCS is -37 to -33 dbsm.

Anon · 06-21-2005, 20:47 PM

And what is it for a Flanker?

**TopHatter** · 06-21-2005, 20:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

And what is it for a Flanker?

Two words Bill: Small Mountain.

Oh wait, that's a B-52...never mind

highsea · 06-21-2005, 20:51 PM

10 to 13 dbsm for SU-27 and variants.

raptor1992 · 06-21-2005, 20:56 PM

i thought a flanker have less RCS than an eagle but an eagle have 10 dbsm

highsea · 06-21-2005, 21:02 PM

Flankers and Eagles are about the same, 10-13 dbsm for each. That translates to 10-15 m2, so it's a range, and depends on version and loadout.

raptor1992 · 06-21-2005, 21:08 PM

what is the dbsm for all the major russian and american aircraft? i like to compare it.

highsea · 06-21-2005, 21:46 PM

I don't have a complete list. This is what I have, from large to small:

F-15: 10 to 13 dbsm
SU-27: 10 to 13 dbsm
Tornado: 9 dbsm
MiG-29: 7 dbsm
F-18: 5 dbsm
MiG-21: 5 dbsm
F-16: 0 to 3 dbsm
Mirage 2000: 0 to 3 dbsm
Gripen: -5 to 0 dbsm
SU-47: -5 dbsm
Rafale: -10 to -5 dbsm
MiG 1.42: -10 dbsm
F-18 E/F: -10 dbsm
Typhoon: -13 to -10 dbsm
F-35: -30 to -28 dbsm
F/A-22: -37 to -33 dbsm

The figures for the SU-47 and MiG 1.42 should be taken with a grain of salt, due to the high percentage of alloys in the airframe. The reason they get the rating they do is mainly due to internal weapons carriage.

The numbers were compiled from various open sources, avleak, Janes, and manufacturers datasheets. YMMV.

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highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,839	Gee, that's a tough one... Considering that the only Su-37's that ever flew were prototypes that didn't have any weapons, I will put my money on the F-22. Last edited by highsea; 06-21-2005 at 16:31 PM..

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highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,839	I don't have a complete list. This is what I have, from large to small: F-15: 10 to 13 dbsm SU-27: 10 to 13 dbsm Tornado: 9 dbsm MiG-29: 7 dbsm F-18: 5 dbsm MiG-21: 5 dbsm F-16: 0 to 3 dbsm Mirage 2000: 0 to 3 dbsm Gripen: -5 to 0 dbsm SU-47: -5 dbsm Rafale: -10 to -5 dbsm MiG 1.42: -10 dbsm F-18 E/F: -10 dbsm Typhoon: -13 to -10 dbsm F-35: -30 to -28 dbsm F/A-22: -37 to -33 dbsm The figures for the SU-47 and MiG 1.42 should be taken with a grain of salt, due to the high percentage of alloys in the airframe. The reason they get the rating they do is mainly due to internal weapons carriage. The numbers were compiled from various open sources, avleak, Janes, and manufacturers datasheets. YMMV. Last edited by highsea; 06-21-2005 at 21:50 PM..

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06-21-2005, 17:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,839	I don't need to know the "true" stats to know which one is superior. The most important piece of equipment for any pilot in any aircraft who faces a F-22 in combat is his ejection seat.

06-21-2005, 18:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	The F-22 is the most dominating all weather multirole fighter ever devised by man. End of story.

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raptor1992 Banished Join Date: 06-21-05 Location: Curious about it aren't you? Sadly I won't be telling you. Look around the world!!! Posts: 200	i think the F-22's stealth gives it a tremendous advantage. btw what is F-22's radar signature

06-21-2005, 19:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,839	The commonly quoted value for frontal RCS is -37 to -33 dbsm.

06-21-2005, 20:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	And what is it for a Flanker?

06-21-2005, 20:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,839	10 to 13 dbsm for SU-27 and variants.

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raptor1992 Banished Join Date: 06-21-05 Location: Curious about it aren't you? Sadly I won't be telling you. Look around the world!!! Posts: 200	i thought a flanker have less RCS than an eagle but an eagle have 10 dbsm

06-21-2005, 21:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,839	Flankers and Eagles are about the same, 10-13 dbsm for each. That translates to 10-15 m2, so it's a range, and depends on version and loadout.

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raptor1992 Banished Join Date: 06-21-05 Location: Curious about it aren't you? Sadly I won't be telling you. Look around the world!!! Posts: 200	what is the dbsm for all the major russian and american aircraft? i like to compare it.

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