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what would you guys think would win? Su-37 or F-22? i think they'll tie
F/a-22.
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Gee, that's a tough one...
Considering that the only Su-37's that ever flew were prototypes that didn't have any weapons, I will put my money on the F-22.
Last edited by highsea; 21 Jun 05, at 22:31.
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Considering that the "true" stats on both aircraft are guarded like a daughter's virture, I doubt we could even make a paper comparison.Originally Posted by highsea
Having said that, I do see the F/A-22 in frontline service and the Su-37 is....not
And now having said THAT: For sheer looks and kick-azz paint scheme, I'll be cutting a check for an Su-47 a few days from now.
Then I'll throw myself out a 40th story window when the check bounces....
Last edited by TopHatter; 21 Jun 05, at 23:04.
I don't need to know the "true" stats to know which one is superior. The most important piece of equipment for any pilot in any aircraft who faces a F-22 in combat is his ejection seat.
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The F-22 is the most dominating all weather multirole fighter ever devised by man.
End of story.
i think the F-22's stealth gives it a tremendous advantage. btw what is F-22's radar signature
The commonly quoted value for frontal RCS is -37 to -33 dbsm.
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And what is it for a Flanker?
Two words Bill: Small Mountain.
Oh wait, that's a B-52...never mind
10 to 13 dbsm for SU-27 and variants.
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i thought a flanker have less RCS than an eagle but an eagle have 10 dbsm
Flankers and Eagles are about the same, 10-13 dbsm for each. That translates to 10-15 m2, so it's a range, and depends on version and loadout.
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what is the dbsm for all the major russian and american aircraft? i like to compare it.
I don't have a complete list. This is what I have, from large to small:
F-15: 10 to 13 dbsm
SU-27: 10 to 13 dbsm
Tornado: 9 dbsm
MiG-29: 7 dbsm
F-18: 5 dbsm
MiG-21: 5 dbsm
F-16: 0 to 3 dbsm
Mirage 2000: 0 to 3 dbsm
Gripen: -5 to 0 dbsm
SU-47: -5 dbsm
Rafale: -10 to -5 dbsm
MiG 1.42: -10 dbsm
F-18 E/F: -10 dbsm
Typhoon: -13 to -10 dbsm
F-35: -30 to -28 dbsm
F/A-22: -37 to -33 dbsm
The figures for the SU-47 and MiG 1.42 should be taken with a grain of salt, due to the high percentage of alloys in the airframe. The reason they get the rating they do is mainly due to internal weapons carriage.
The numbers were compiled from various open sources, avleak, Janes, and manufacturers datasheets. YMMV.
Last edited by highsea; 22 Jun 05, at 03:50.
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