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Basically, pit an F-22 against 4 Eagles, what is the outcome, vs and SU-37 vs 4 Eagles, what is the outcome. Or A first day of war scenario, and F-22 against and penetrating an IADS, tasked to take out a critical node, vs an SU-37, penetrating an IADS, taking out a critical node. Then see who comes out alive more often, and there u have a winner! =) |
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I would NOT like to be the pilot in that! Quote:
2) It hasn't entered combat yet, though it has defeated F-15s while being ridiculously outnumbered (5:1 and 33:8, if I remember correctly) without any losses in those two training engagements. Quote:
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As for a gun - I'll take that literally - it's true that Russian aircraft cannons are generally higher-calibre, but also have much smaller magazines. As for missiles... well you have to detect the Raptor, won't you? Quote:
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http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...u37/su372.html Ain't it the one in the flesh? |
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A truck is also a lot less aerodynamic than a fighter plane. Quote:
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But that's understandable, Russia can't really afford carriers with catapults... Quote:
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When talking about fighter jets and their combat performance, talking about airshow tricks is childish to say the least. If you can turn tighter than the other guy, then I'll be interested. Quote:
And the Admiral Kuznetsov still has a ramp. It's indicative of the state of Russian aviation when people refer to airshow tricks and ability to take off a crap carrier, and people don't talk about combat capabilities, logistics, quantities, etc. How many Sukhois are flying off Russian carriers? Sorry, their one carrier which is afraid to go beyond the Barents Sea? |
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...the one anti-stealth radar made or claimed to be made is that the radar emits rays against a background and whichever rays get absorbed or deflected means you have a black area in your map and that is where to look for the stealth aircraft such a radar would be too costly for many nations to develop as it would probably require sattelite assistance to map the "background" for the Radar...Quote:
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This has to be one of the dumbest thread I've ever posted in.
The SU-37 is a tech demonstrator, the same deal as the U.S X series planes. Even hypothetically if the SU-37 was put into service its a product of 3rd and 4th generation fighter development goals. Against an F-22 there simply would be no competition. The F-22 has far superior radar and weapon systems. It also is extremely difficult to detect on radar giving it air dominance for all air to air engagements. Being able to perform fancy turns and rolls won't help you when your engaging a stealthed 5th gen fighter that specificly designed to indentify, engage and rapidly kill multiple airborne targets BVR. The Russians bet on super maneuverability as the key acheivement for the current generation of fighters. And guess what they bet wrong, and much to their credit they've realised it and have moved on. There working on the PAK-FA and other westernized design types now that incorperate cost effective stealth and put more emphesis on more modern avionics. The Su-37 is not nore will it likely ever be a produced fighter. |
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Arzi Hukumat-e-Azad Hind
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canoe, you have not read the previous posts have you... the importance of stealth and manuverability have already been discussed before... and I would also like to ask you, what radar and weapon systems does the Su-37 use... I mean you are claiming that the F22 outshines the Su-37 in this field, but could you please enlighten me on the radar and weapon systems of the Su-37... and also what attributes make you think that the Su-37 is a 3rd or 4th gen. fighter??? you have merely posted your opinion rather then statistics...
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Also, the Su-xx is not yet equipped with an LPI AESA radar and has nowhere near the computing power of the F-22's CIPs. Last edited by JCSVT; 05-29-2006 at 21:07 PM.. |
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and I don't think you should count Su-30MKI because the only thing the MKI shares common with the other Sukhoi's is the airframe, the MKI has Israeli, French and Indian electronic systems... but then the Su-37 was designed most recently... but I guess it won't be entering service... maybe in like 10-20 years the Russians will re-open the project and develop it later on, something they have a tendency to do.. |
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The Superbug Block III would be a formidable plane. Increased thrust of 25% to 55,000 pounds, more low observable tech, AESA, and some other stuff. And still around 55 million a copy.
Even Block II with AESA meant for India would be the premier strike fighter in Asia, with perhaps only the F-15SG superior (but more expensive). Now if only they could redesign for the Superbug a more swept, bigger, more delta-ish wing (quite impossible with current budget I know) for higher speed, more range, and even better nose turning ability in one circle fight than it can now, and also modify the LERX in relation to reduce drag. It would be very dangerous. But then the USN chose the simplest cheapest option for the Superbug to save money. |
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