Thread: F-22 vs. Su-37 who would win

Russians broke the stealth !!!
They developed radars emitting very long wavelength to detect stealth aircrafts and also the vibration in air caused due to the plane. India is supposingly getting these radars. I donno whether they can be mounted on aircrafts or not , if yes then F22 is dead .

lol long wave lengths doesn't mean that it can detect smaller objects better. it only means that it can detect further

Originally Posted by raptor1992

Russians broke the stealth !!!
They developed radars emitting very long wavelength to detect stealth aircrafts and also the vibration in air caused due to the plane. India is supposingly getting these radars. I donno whether they can be mounted on aircrafts or not , if yes then F22 is dead .

lol long wave lengths doesn't mean that it can detect smaller objects better. it only means that it can detect further

its all about the benefit of being able to see ahead. and how much ahead we can see that will compensate stealth(assuming that americans dont use such wavelengths.i.e. a range advantage for russians. but i wonder if russians can get such an advantage in ragar detection range (with their long wavelength radars) over the americans that can compensate the need for stealth. But even then that dsnt make stealth as a unneeded stuff as it still adds the advantages. Though scarcity of funds means compromise and thus selection of stealth as not a very good option (only in case they can get such a detection range advantage).

Originally Posted by raptor1992

lol long wave lengths doesn't mean that it can detect smaller objects better. it only means that it can detect further

That's wrong: we are not talking of an object physically smaller, but only of smaller RCS.
It depends on the absobring properties of materials at different frequencies. It is possible that longer wavelengths wouldn't be absorbed so well by the F-22 alloys. Also there is the geometry effect, which during the F-22 design was optimized for the then known AD radars.
As that other post is concerned, yes it is possible to detect the wake of a plane and we are of course talking of ground radars, not airborne.

I heard rumors the Yugoslavians used a prototype of such a radar when they shot down that F-117

The F-22 is not dead, though. Just a little less hard to see.

Originally Posted by thesaint

That's wrong: we are not talking of an object physically smaller, but only of smaller RCS.
It depends on the absobring properties of materials at different frequencies. It is possible that longer wavelengths wouldn't be absorbed so well by the F-22 alloys. Also there is the geometry effect, which during the F-22 design was optimized for the then known AD radars.
As that other post is concerned, yes it is possible to detect the wake of a plane and we are of course talking of ground radars, not airborne.

I heard rumors the Yugoslavians used a prototype of such a radar when they shot down that F-117

The F-22 is not dead, though. Just a little less hard to see.

I really don't understand why everyone has bagged on that poor Russian. While being not being totally accurate he isn't completely wrong. He's also been accused of arrogance which a lot of you yanks have been flagrantly guilty of in a major way.

Dogfights have been called the race to go slow. The slower you are the tighter the turn. I think there will be more dogfights in the future. Stealth technologie will be the direct cause of this. If stealth is doing it's job you will have to be in a few kilometres range to detect the other aircraft. If both aircraft are stealth planes travelling at a few hundred miles an hour that's not very much time for a missle shot now is it? I'm thinking this is going to cause a few furballs don't you. The Ruskie was right and you Americans have learned this lesson before. Years ago or not air combat rules still apply and we are going to go straight back to the basics with stealth. Also why wouldn't you be able to pick up air disruptions? Seems to make a lot of sence to me. Kind of like locating a ship by it's wake. Let's not forget that any new defence anyone has come up with all through history someone else figures out a way to beat it.

According to the quoted post, stealth technologie is not fool proof. Not to mention that I saw pieces of that F-117 on proud display in a museum in Belgrade along with a humvee, captured special forces equipment and uniform of some poor bastard American soldier Oh yeah and the flight suit and helmet of that F-16 pilot who got away. You know, that dude who shot down 4 enemy aircraft in a dogfight that doesn't happne anymore.

Oddly this small section of the museum was the only one in english. Belgrade's a **** hole, great pizza though.

I hope pilots of the F-22 aren't so arrogant as you lot or there are going to be some dead pilots and a lot of wasted money.

The F-22 is the most manueverable dog fighter in the world, and it has a gun.

What exactly is it that you're saying the US has messed up about?

LOL

I never said the US messed up about anything. I just think it's a mistake that dogfighting days are over.

I agree 100%.

Fortunately for us arrogant Americans, the F-22 is the finest dog fighter the world has ever seen.