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    Outside of Russia, USA do need very few Raptors. Other possible enemy would have much smaller AF.... not big numbers needed. and in real life US will never start a conventional war with Russia.

    Probably this would be good reason why only little number of Raptors is really needed. Just like 12 carriers are really not needed for US NAVY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Outside of Russia, USA do need very few Raptors. Other possible enemy would have much smaller AF.... not big numbers needed. and in real life US will never start a conventional war with Russia.

    Probably this would be good reason why only little number of Raptors is really needed. Just like 12 carriers are really not needed for US NAVY
    Actually we need more of both. Carriers however are hugely expensive so 14 is probably the max number. But F-22's and carriers serve different functions. The F-22 for example can safely defend Europe just by continuous production. For every F-22 the US buys Russia is forced to counter as best they can with SAM's and fighters. The more they have to counter with defensive systems the less money is left to buy offensive systems or for RnD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Actually we need more of both. Carriers however are hugely expensive so 14 is probably the max number. But F-22\'s and carriers serve different functions. The F-22 for example can safely defend Europe just by continuous production. For every F-22 the US buys Russia is forced to counter as best they can with SAM\'s and fighters. The more they have to counter with defensive systems the less money is left to buy offensive systems or for RnD.
    They wouldn\'t dare attack europe and they never intended too even during cold war what makes you think they would consider it now when they clearly don\'t even have the logistics yet alone the rest?

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    They certainly weren't looking for a return to the status quo against Georgia. They'll make a land grab any time an opportunity arises. What's funny is Putin is actually blaming the US for starting that fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post
    They certainly weren\'t looking for a return to the status quo against Georgia. They\'ll make a land grab any time an opportunity arises. What\'s funny is Putin is actually blaming the US for starting that fight.
    Geopolitically its similar as if Canada would hypothetically be a military alliance with China and Mexico would be in process of becoming a military ally with Russia and the Chinese would want to put missile interceptors somewhere around the USA , for me at least this is a logical move by Russia and is by no means a sign that they are a evil empire that is planning a hostile attack on europe , thats just ridiculous , but surrounding Russia from every side ( NATO and China ) it is only logical that they will try to prevent it by any means, for example I can ask if I put miself on a Russian point of view why is NATO still here? If the Soviet Union is gone, it was made to counter the soviet union , what is its task now? There are alot of things going on here but try to view it from different perspectives.

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    NATO is more than just a military alliance.

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    You don\'t understand my point , NATO was designed to keep the soviets out of europe and now the USSR doesn\'t exist anymore hence from a russian point of view today there is enough reason to doubt the integrity of NATO and still be paranoid about its expansion , remember that the soviets during cold war thought that NATO wanted to attack them just like NATO thought that USSR wanted to attack europe.

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    Yeah but the Soviet Union of the 50s and 60s bears no resemblance to modern day Russia. They know there's no chance of invasion. They just hate the idea of being irrelevant, and they all want to be rich and powerful no matter the cost (Putin in particular). NATO poses less of an invasion risk now than it did at any point during the Cold War, despite practically surrounding Russia.

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    Well yea but I don\'t understand what zraver was trying to say with this

    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    The F-22 for example can safely defend Europe just by continuous production. For every F-22 the US buys Russia is forced to counter as best they can with SAM\'s and fighters. The more they have to counter with defensive systems the less money is left to buy offensive systems or for RnD.
    Its not like Russia will ever attack Europe and you agree with me and if he meant limiting its military might for conflicts similar to Georgia then that won\'t make any difference at all since they can crush them anyway if they wanted to.

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    Everyone knows that Russia make the best fighter jet there is and cheap too

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    Hiya, akunye, thanks for necroposting. We here at WAB encourage such things and all the posters here appreciate it.

    Personally, I think Iran builds the best fighters pound for pound in the world now that Iraq is no longer in the fighter building business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFever View Post
    Hiya, akunye, thanks for necroposting. We here at WAB encourage such things and all the posters here appreciate it.

    Personally, I think Iran builds the best fighters pound for pound in the world now that Iraq is no longer in the fighter building business.
    yep, heres the hyper advanced Iranian stealth fighter



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    Where is SWSNBN? And the kittens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akunye View Post
    Everyone knows that Russia make the best fighter jet there is and cheap too
    Sure....whatever you say. Just please don't kill more kittens.
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    akunye, please ignore the last three posters. They are just jealous because they come from countries that build expensive fighters that are not as good as the Migs and Sukhois.

    Personally, I think the only way a SU-37 will not shoot down 5 F-22 is if it is only carrying 4 missiles. But on the otherhand, it does carry a canon so I'm not sure if that's not impossible.

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