Raptor manuverability is significantly lower than that of the 37 FULL STOP. Jesus, even Discovery Channel admitted it. They spent too much on their 'stealth' so the plane is an aerodynamic disaster. I thought some of you were engineers.
Proof?Originally Posted by Vadim
You jealous of them?'stealth'
...If you get your information off Discovery Channel and then accuse engineers...so the plane is an aerodynamic disaster. I thought some of you were engineers.
It can pull 11 Gs, sustained. Fact.
The F-22A is Mach 2.42+... according to an Air Force pilot anyway.
Su 37 can pull 12, fact.
I said EVEN Discovery. I get my information from books.
I don't think any of us can prove anything at this point but like I said, the Raptor is an aerodynamic flying mistake full of stealth technologies and high tech computers. YOU prove the F22 can out manuver the Su 37 then...
Jealous of technologies that are over 20 years old? Haha nice. The S 37 is stealth and I think that was the biggest waste of money. If both countries can make stealth, sure as hell they can counter their own technology.
SUSTAINED?
That can take on 5 F-15Cs at a time.I don't think any of us can prove anything at this point but like I said, the Raptor is an aerodynamic flying mistake full of stealth technologies and high tech computers.
11 G SUSTAINED.YOU prove the F22 can out manuver the Su 37 then...
It also a gigantic thrust-to-weight ratio and pretty low wing-loading.
So with no experience whatsoever with stealth the Russians just suddenly make a stealthy jet? The F-22A is second generation stealth.Jealous of technologies that are over 20 years old? Haha nice. The S 37 is stealth
And the S-37 and all normal Su-27 derivatives are all 30-year-old technology.
Why is this premise true?sure as hell they can counter their own technology.
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Why oh why is everyone getting so worked up about this stupid thread? The Su-37 does not exist, it was a tech demonstrator that got cancelled in favour of the more practical Su-35, which is hardly in service and, simply put, cannot hold a candle to the Raptor because it is a stop-gap upgrade of older technology born out of the Russian's need to aquire new planes and their inability to develope their own 5th Generation planes.
I don't doubt that in the future when they can afford the luxury the Russians will develope a 5th Generation plane that can truly be compared to the Raptor (for the international market if nothing else), but for now they have nothing in the Raptor's class, like nobody has anything in the Raptor's class.
Yes it does actually.
Been hitting the crack pipe again, havn't cha?
Vadim is a clueless troll. Clueless trolls always work up the masses at first until people realize they're idiots.
The flight demo videos of the raptor don't look like an aerodynamic disaster to me... the only disaster was the Raptors lack of ground attack capabilities.
The only comparison i feel worthy of drawing is that the Raptors are entering active service... the super flanker is...?? Still doing air shows, thats all.
The Raptor is extremly maneuverable. I though the ceilng kitten taught you a lesson you jackass.
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M21 clearly based on his post he is traumatized by excessive animal porno. Vadim: Yes the kangaroo special!!!!!!!!
Or an overdose of marijuana or crack could be the case either or.
No they won't because they will never have that kind of money to spend on a Raptor like program. Overall, US must have spent like around 20 billion dollars. And by the time, if Russia ever get the money, they will still be behind because they would need 10 years to develop the plane from scratch into production and 10 years is a very optimistic number. By that time, US would be working on a 6th generation plane.
$20 billion? More like $70 billion, last time I heard.
Ok, forget the Su 37 since every one claimsit does not 'exist' it certainly does exist under the name of a Su 35 as the 35 was upgraded to manuver equally as well. S 37 30 year old technology? haha and I am the troll?
Who gives a c*** how many G's the raptor can pull, the pilot can pull only so many before blacking out and 'stealth' won't make any difference then. The whole point of making it 'stealth' was to counter the Russian planes' manuverability, not just the 37/35 but the Mig 29 too. From those test flight videos I watched about the F22, and I watched a lot of them, the only thing that they convinced me of is that the plane can take off, pull a few barrel rolls and land.....awesum can't even do the useless stunt 'Cobra' properly forget about anything else. Funny to see all the public go nuts from a barrel roll...
I am sure this forum is full of Americans, it certainly shows.
Must... resist the stupidity... Cannot... arrrrrrrrrgh
Okay, then, substitute 'Su-37' for 'Su-35' or better yet 'Su-30MKI', since that's actually in service with a military.
It's got components derived from the normal Flanker series, no?S 37 30 year old technology? haha and I am the troll?
How many times has the liquid-filled G suit been mentioned?Who gives a c*** how many G's the raptor can pull, the pilot can pull only so many before blacking out
You really are a troll.
It was? I thought it was to reduce detectability giving it a range of new options.The whole point of making it 'stealth' was to counter the Russian planes' manuverability,
Thanks for reminding of the F-22's roll rate; the highest of any fighter in history, apparently.Funny to see all the public go nuts from a barrel roll...
Yes, what evil capitalist pigs they are.I am sure this forum is full of Americans, it certainly shows.
You really are a troll.
Why am I even responding to you?
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