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The quote was specifically comparing toi the F-15
http://radarproblems.com/calculators/horizon.htm
Assuming a height of the aircraft at 50 feet and the radar of the double digit sam at 20 feet(normal height for radar for double digit sams). You won't detect it until it comes within 15 nautical miles.
Example of a low level attack. http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...pietrucha.html
Now add that to all the other info in my last 6 posts and you are defeated.
Offt opic but what would you make of this
and the next pageA top U.S. intelligence official and arms-control analyst, interviewed by Insight on the condition that his name be withheld, vigorously rejects the Russian claims. In a detailed rebuttal of Lee's analysis, he says the United States has carried out a technical analysis of the SA-10 and SA-12 systems and concludes they simply were not fast enough to intercept incoming ICBMs. The Soviets might have wanted to integrate the interceptors into a national missile-defense network, he says, but never demonstrated the capability. Even if such a network had been set up, he argues, the interceptors were just too slow to be effective against ICBMs.http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._74337128/pg_8But, according to the new Russian source material, Soviet designers worked around the slow speed of the interceptors by passing target data to them from huge battle-management radars positioned thousands of kilometers away. That gave them enough warning to launch the interceptors in time to kill the incoming warheads. The Russians also made clear that the main ABM system protecting Moscow was just as dependent as the SAMs/ ABMs on receiving target-tracking data from distant battle-management radars.
The Moscow-system missiles, the SA-5 and SA-10/12, were tipped with small nuclear warheads so they didn't require the incredible bullet-hitting-bullet complexity of the U.S. systems developed during the Clinton years. U.S. spy satellites repeatedly identified tactical nuclear-warhead storage sites at the interceptor bases spread across the Soviet empire.
They're supposed to have about 8,000 of these interceptors. The only way to cripple them I'd say is to use JASSMs and other ALCM's from B-2's to cripple all EW radars.
Last edited by urmomma158; 02 Jun 06, at 00:40.
The quote was specifically comparing toi the F-15
http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.aspThe most capable air defence system currently in PLA service are derivatives of the Russian Almaz S-300PMU/SA-10 Grumble family of Surface to Air Missiles. The S-300 SAM systems remain one of the most lethal, if not the most lethal, all altitude area defence SAM systems in service, with a range of more capable derivatives entering service in Russia, or in development. Over the Taiwan Strait the later versions of the S-300 become "offensive" weapons in that they can attack targets in Taiwanese airspace, severely challenging that nation’s air defense. Moreover, these missiles threaten all U.S. combat aircraft that may be called upon to assist Taiwan other than the stealthy B-2A and F-22A, the latter which is just entering service in diminished numbers.
Just to make sure he doesn't come back.^^^^
Last edited by urmomma158; 02 Jun 06, at 03:27.
How good really is this data? I've seen this before, but I just could NOT believe F-15 has 400 m^2 of RCS, that's like a large metal sphere size of basketball field flying at ya in the mid air
Last edited by cooldw57; 02 Jun 06, at 06:12.
has anyone seen this F-22 vid at Langley 2006?
http://semperapollo.com/Quickstart/V...006/Raptor.mpg
I wouldn't think that it's RCS is bigger than a B-52's or even the Su-27.
I read the F-15's about 10 m2.
The latest versions are supposedly around 4-5m2.
so that table is wrong then?
Yes, it is wrong. Last time I heard, the B-52 was 100m2, F-4 was 50, A-10 was 25, F-15C and MiG-29 were 5, F-15SG was 4, EF-2000 and F/A-18E/F were 0.2, and Rafale was 0.1. F-22, F-117, B-2 and F-35 had so many 0s that I forgot how many. I think Raptor was 0.0002, F-35 was 0.001, B-2 was 0.0005 and F-117 was 0.005, but these are very rough figures. Real RCS is classified.
Well it has no RCS reduction techniques and has all those ecternal weapns. +26db.http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cs/q0168.shtmlNote that the RCS for the F-15 seems extraordinarily high and likely represents a large but very narrow peak from the head-on aspect as opposed to a more typical medianized value. Other sources suggest an RCS between 5 and 25 m2, which seems much more reasonable in comparison to similar aircraft like the F-4 and Su-27. Measurements for the F-22, F-117, B-2, Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM), and Bird of Prey are highly classified, as the SR-71 may also still be, so the values listed above are educated guesses, at best. Regardless of these deficiencies, the table does a good job of exemplifying relative trends in lowering RCS and the significant improvements made since the advent of stealth aircraft.
I wouldnt take it as gospel though since they're simply estimates and not officla. It just gives you an idea of it's RCS.
Those ones with the stealth AC are released RCS's not just estimates but they're most likely underestimated and understated. The real figures should be significanly lower. Can someone please answer my findarticles links about all Russ sams being able to intercept ICBMS cuz im wondering about a few things.
Stealth wins all unless the russians know the heat signature of the F-22 so the F-22 wins (unless the SU-37 found its heat signature)
And range of weapons also determines whos the winner. The F-22 can carry medium range missiles (Example)
And Abilites:
SU-37
-Lots of firepower
-Exellent manuverability
-Speed is awesome
F-22
-Firepower is deadly
-Manuverablility unimaginable
-Speed is better (I think) Mach 1.8
-Stealth- Takes all
Last edited by Theanalyst23; 03 Jun 06, at 01:16. Reason: forgot to put something in
For right now I'd put the F-22 and TVC-equipped Su-3x's on equal ground in terms of manuverability. In terms of maximum speed the two planes are also about equal at ~Mach 2.3. Cruising speed, however, is a much different story.
The F/A 22 kills the SU 37 ! Period!
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