Thread: F-22 vs. Su-37 who would win

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

...I think 12 is the max instantaneous G-rate isnt it? Or no?

LOL...

For the suit or the plane? Lolol.

I wouldn't want to do either, but my guess is if a pilot takes an F-22 to 12G, the plane will be grounded for a while- which is something no pilot wants to explain to his crew chief.

I'll see if I can dig up the article on the G-suit dev prog.

Originally Posted by highsea

For the suit or the plane? Lolol.

I wouldn't want to do either, but my guess is if a pilot takes an F-22 to 12G, the plane will be grounded for a while- which is something no pilot wants to explain to his crew chief.

I'll see if I can dig up the article on the G-suit dev prog.

I think the plane is stressed for 11g sustained and god only knows what for snap turns(even the old F-14 could exceed 12gs in a snap turn in some manuevers, and the same is true for all teen series fighters. I've actually seen a bent Viper in person once, lol).

The new suit i thought was good for 11g sustained and 12 g snap manuevers.

There's probably newer articles out now, i'll see what i can find.

[QUOTE=Vadim]1) What use is the raptor's 11 g force frame if the pilot blacks out by then?

2) The manuvers the Su 37 can do (NOT the Cobra) were designed for combat.

3) AGAIN the Raptor is not stealth to the Russian radar systems. Heh, the U2 was apperantly unreachable to the SAM systems of Russia . An F117 lost to a jet built in the Vietnam days...

The F117 was shot down by a SAM and only because of poor mission planning. If stealth had really been countered that day why was only 1 shot down. Tell me what the so called Russian anti stealth radars are testing on(nowhere near the stealth level of our AC).The U2 was brought down because they thought the altitude it flew at put it out of range of SAMS. Tell me how are the issues related between an aircraft that uses altitude to survive and one which uses stealth to survive. Any answer shithead? Guess not.

3) G load of Su 37 is 12 if it is THAT important...

4)The S300- "The system consists of the 6AN6E 'Big Bird' phased array surveillance radar, the 36N6E 'Flop-Lid' phased array multi-function engagement radar capable of tracking stealth targets." 90 km guaranteed hit range, projectiles moving at 10000km/h, from 5m above the ground to 30000m. I am sure they used this technology on the Su 37 too.

How stealth of a target and at what range??? For more info go look at the sources i provided on the bottom. Russia has no reliable way to test them on our AC.

This is 1980's technology by the way...

So are the S3000's and you're wrong about it being 1980's it was made in the 95-97 time frame(Production model), Prototype (1991), and only a concept( 1980's). You seem to be one of those jackasses that only reads one article and seems to know everything.

5)"F-22 Raptor - Air Dominance for the 21st Century

No fighter in the world comes close to matching the F-22. By every measure" If this is the kind of site you research at, you need to rethink before you reply.

It's the Lockheedmartin website. If i apply the same logic why should I trust Russian sources. This info is also used by many other sites. Im sure you beleive all the bull which comes out of Russian brochures without researching further like I do.

You need to research more about your own SAM systems before making such stupid claims.

The 36D6 Tin Shield is semi-mobile and towed by a
KrAZ-255 or -260 tractor, it can be deployed or stowed in one
hour, or two with the mast. The design uses a large paraboloid
cylindrical section primary reflector and a linear element array
deployed on a pair of booms to provide electronic beam
steering in elevation from -20 to +30 degrees, the antenna
can perform a full 360 degree sweep in five to 10 seconds.
With a transmitter peak power rating cited between 1.23
MegaWatts and 350 kiloWatts, the manufacturer claims the
ability to detect a 0.1 square metre RCS target at 300ft AGL
out to 24.8nm (46km), and at medium to high altitudes to
94.5nm (175km). Clutter rejection is claimed to exceed 48
dB, and the system can track 100 targets. An IFF system is
integrated in the radar.

Its sibling, the 76N6 Clam Shell low level early warning
radar, is an unconventional frequency modulated continuous
wave design, using a split antenna arrangement with a large
‘beak’ to prevent spillover from the receiver. Quoted performance
figures include the detection of targets with a radar cross
section as low as 0.02 square metres, at speeds of up to 1400kt
(2595km/h), with a bearing resolution of 1 degree, velocity
resolution of 9.3kt (17km) and range resolution of 2.15nm
(4km). Quoted RMS tracking errors are 0.3 degree in bearing,
4.7kt (8.7km/h) in velocity and 1nm (1.9km) in range. Chaff
rejection performance is quoted at better than 100 dB, detection
range is stated to be 50nm (92km) for targets at 1500ft
altitude, and 65nm (120km/h) for 3000ft altitude. The transmitter
delivers 1.4 kW of CW power at an unspecified carrier frequency,
system MTBF is quoted at 100hr with an MTTR of 0.5 hr.
The gargantuan continuous wave Clam Shell low altitude acquisition
radar has no analogues in the West, and is used to detect low flying
aircraft and cruise missiles. It has been widely used on the enormous 40
metre 30V6MD semi-mobile mast intended to extend low altitude coverage
footprint (Author/LEMZ).

Incremental changes were made to the Flap Lid, yielding the
30N6E1 variant, capable of guiding the new 48N6 missile, the
manufacturer claims an ability to engage targets with an RCS as
low as 0.02 square metres at an unspecified range, and an
autonomous search capability.

http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Asia-Sams-Pt1.pdf


pt 2

A cold start ejector is used to expel the missile from the
launch tube, the first stage burns for about 20 seconds, then
the missile transitions to its midcourse sustainer. During
midcourse flight the missile employs inertial navigation
with the option of command link updates. In the former
mode it transitions to its semi-active homing seeker during
the final 10 seconds of flight, in the latter three seconds
before impact – a technique preferred for heavy
jamming environments. Russian sources claim the semiactive
seeker can lock on to a 0.05 square metre RCS
target from 16.2nm (30km). The midcourse guidance system
attempts to fly the most energy efficient trajectory to
maximise range. A two channel radio proximity fuse is
used to initiate the 150kg (330lb) class ‘smart’ warhead
which has a controllable fragmentation pattern to maximise
effect.

http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Asia-Sams-Pt2.pdf
Most of these reports are compiled from Russian sources that offer in depth desriptions.
.01 square meters is hardly a real stealth target. Stealth is a very broadband term. It can be from the moderate SR 71 to the adavnced X45 UCAV

F-15 Eagle +26 400 4,305
F-4 Phantom II +20 100 1,076
B-52 Stratofortress +20 100 1,076
Su-27 +12 15 161
B-1A +10 10 108
F-16 Fighting Falcon +7 5 54
B-1B Lancer 0 1 11
F-18E/F Super Hornet 0 1 11
Rafale 0 1 11
Typhoon -3 0.5 5.5
AGM-86 ALCM -6 0.25 2.5
BGM-109 Tomahawk -13 0.05 0.5
SR-71 Blackbird -18 0.015 0.15
F-22 Raptor -22 0.0065 0.07
F-117 Nighthawk -25 0.003 0.03
B-2 Spirit -28 0.0015 0.02
AGM-129 ACM -30 0.001 0.01
Boeing Bird of Prey -70 0.0000001 0.000008

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cs/q0168.shtml
It can't even lock onto a .01-.05 square meter target from max range.

Im simply too intellectual for you. Don't make me use the ceiling cat pic again(you probabaly do that anyway most of the time since you are desperate). The flap lid is too big to fit in the SU 37 and tell me where did Russia get a VLO AC to test on. You never seize to amaze me with all the BS and utter **** you post.