Thread: Fighter-jet engines 'stolen from Israeli base'

Someone could just hack into the base computers and place a phony order.

Heads are going to roll over this. It's petty, but sometimes its good to see the Air Force taken down a peg when it comes to interservice rivalry. They will not live this one down for quite a while, methinks.

If these engines end up in China what kind of boost would it give the Chinese engine programs?

How would they stack up against the WS10/A or the yet unseen WS15?

A 20-year old (or more) engine design? Probably not going to help much. I'm sure they already know all about it.

Originally Posted by Jimmy

A 20-year old (or more) engine design? Probably not going to help much. I'm sure they already know all about it.

Closer to 40; although I suppose it depends on if they're older -100 engines, or the newest -229 IPE's. My guess is they're -220's, not a whole lot of advanced tech in those (unless they got the FADEC, too).

I agree from the article it stats the F100 P&W aren't techically advanced anymore, and were not even a very good design, they were soon replaced in US service by the better F110 version. Its the security issue that is news, not the technology loss, but the loss of large military equipment from a secure site. Some didn't walk off with them or smuggle them out in their pocket. Could weapons get lost like this? Were they junk or just parts for older second string aircraft?

The real concern here isn’t the technology in the engines being stolen, it’s the fact that the IAF (or at least units at that base) is so corrupt that eight jet engines were stolen in plain view. You can’t exactly sneak them out of a hangar in your pocket.

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/\ The article below this one shows that cannon technical, in Libya, firing

Pictures of the engines
http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item46767.html

Originally Posted by USSWisconsin

I agree from the article it stats the F100 P&W aren't techically advanced anymore, and were not even a very good design, they were soon replaced in US service by the better F110 version. Its the security issue that is news, not the technology loss, but the loss of large military equipment from a secure site. Some didn't walk off with them or smuggle them out in their pocket. Could weapons get lost like this? Were they junk or just parts for older second string aircraft?

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http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item46767.html


The article below this one shows that cannon technical, in Libya, firing

The P&W F-100 was pushing the envelope when it was developed back in the '70's; it was the first gas-turbine designed with such a high T-to-W ratio that it would allow the F-15 to have a greater than 1:1 T-to-W ratio with full internal tanks (but no external tanks), teething problems were expected. The newest iterations of the F-100, in particular the -229 IPE, have evolved into very reliable and powerful engines; in many respects, the G&E F-110 engines are better, but the F-100 is still a decent engine since it's now a very mature design.

Originally Posted by Stitch

The P&W F-100 was pushing the envelope when it was developed back in the '70's; it was the first gas-turbine designed with such a high T-to-W ratio that it would allow the F-15 to have a greater than 1:1 T-to-W ratio with full internal tanks (but no external tanks), teething problems were expected. The newest iterations of the F-100, in particular the -229 IPE, have evolved into very reliable and powerful engines; in many respects, the G&E F-110 engines are better, but the F-100 is still a decent engine since it's now a very mature design.

I see, thanks for helping me to understand.

F100-PW-100
F100-PW-100 on display at the Virginia Air and Space CenterThe F100-100 first flew in an F-15 Eagle in 1972 with a thrust of 23,930 lbf. Due to the advanced nature of engine and aircraft, numerous problems were encountered in its early days of service including high wear, stalling and "hard" afterburner starts which are commonly referred to as A/B blowouts by the Air Force mechanics who service the engines.[citation needed] These "hard" starts could be caused by failure of the afterburner to start or by extinguishing after start, in either case the large jets of jet fuel were lit by the engine exhaust resulting in high pressure waves causing the engine to stall. Early problems were solved, and the F100 is still in the USAF fleet to this day.

Pratt & Whitney F100 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still this makes this theft all the more disturbing.

Originally Posted by USSWisconsin

Still this makes this theft all the more disturbing.

Agreed; older technology or not, they're still front-line engines that shouldn't be getting stolen.

I'm gonna hack into those base computers and place me a phony order....

Originally Posted by highsea

I'm gonna hack into those base computers and place me a phony order....

So, where are you gonna have your slightly-used F-100 delivered?

That neighbor's house. You know, the one who lets his dog crap in your front yard but doesn't clean it up, and plays loud music at night. COD

Originally Posted by Jimmy

That neighbor's house. You know, the one who lets his dog crap in your front yard but doesn't clean it up, and plays loud music at night. COD

With instructions to fire them all up and demonstrate them to said household, before collecting COD charges, - with afterburner lit, military power and nozzles facing their front windows...

I thought military power was the full capability of the engine without afterburners?