This is a typical "Let's get pumped!" corporate presentation, but for those who wonder what all the hoopla is regarding AESA radar functionality might enjoy it. I knew AESA was good, this reinforces just how large a leap it is.
F-35 APG-81 by Northrop-Grumman
I rarely curse, but the capabilities generated by modern sensors like this are unfarking believable. If the refresh and track rates on this radar are anything like this video show, it frankly blows my mind and will certainly alter aerial combat forever.
This is like piston engines --> jet engines; or...
Muzzleloader --> metallic cartridges
The mechanical scanned antenna like the original APG-63 on the F-15 requires accurate gyro stabilization, and the system is frequently down because of mechanical issues. If missile lethality follows lock-step with these radar improvements, then skies in the future are going to be very, very dangerous indeed.
No doubt, impressive indeed! There is a similar EO DAS video that is equally impressive. I think that a lot of people will be quite impressed with this aircraft's capabilities once it gets fielded. The Avionics, Sensors, EW, SA, etc cannot be underestimated. People doubted the F-22 until it started kicking a$$ and taking names during excercises. I'm guessing the nay-sayers will be quited again once this bird comes online.
No One Kicks A$! Without Tanker Gas
This is actually old news, but yeah - no more 16 sec to scan the entire azimuth and bar-space just for one update like with a mechanical radar ... no more collapsing the AZ and EL parameters to get faster track updates. No more 'ugh, I can't launch all my 8 AMRAAMs because half the bandits are outside of my scan zone' issues ... no more 'oh I didn't sort well so we're screwed because I can longer see the target I WAS supposed to sort' ... :D
FYI, I no longer have the reference, but there was an announcement about F-35's successfuly jamming F-22's. Looks like Mr. Kopp is going to be losing more hair.
Originally Posted by Chogy
I rarely curse, but the capabilities generated by modern sensors like this are unfarking believable. If the refresh and track rates on this radar are anything like this video show, it frankly blows my mind and will certainly alter aerial combat forever.
That's perfectly fine with me.
I would love to see how 'upgraded' MiG-31s and Su-34s can cope with this.
Why would supersonic interceptor and a frontline bomber fight with F-22 and F-35?
Mig-31 was designed to intercept cruise missiles and strategic bombers over vast area or russian North and Su-34 is a bomb-truck.
Winter is coming.
Neither has an AESA radar, neither will be able to cope. Being stealth makes jamming the other guy much easier, too.
So, tank can't do a work of a submarine that's why submarine is better? Okeeey...
"Being stealth" and jamming directly contradicts each other. Unless jamming is performed by another non-stealth platform.Being stealth makes jamming the other guy much easier, too.
Winter is coming.
I was thinking of an article I read two years back claiming how Russia didn't need 'fifth generation' fighters.
No it doesn't. If I'm jamming you, you still can't see me. Now you know I'm somewhere out there, but you still can't see me.
What's the problem? You don't think either of those aircraft can engage in air to air? They might have a particular job to do, but so does the JSF - in any case, there's no particular reason to believe they couldn't meet on unfriendly terms some time in the future. That they're unlikely to is another matter.
What Jimmy said. Jammers work by overwhelming a particular signal, either noise to kill the gain on your radar, or deception which only requires them to overcome their own reflection. A stealth target can jam you VERY easily, and to boot, it can happily present you with false targets while you'll never know where it's actually positioned at. Since it's transmitting your own radar signal back to you, the whole 'not being stealth' thing might be rendered somewhat moot because you won't be looking at the emitter anyway. Heck, with the right treatment your radar will lower the gain enough that you suddenly won't be seeing the cruise missiles you were supposed to be shooting down ...
"Being stealth" and jamming directly contradicts each other. Unless jamming is performed by another non-stealth platform.
The problem is in a scenario in your head. For some strange reason you all assume a group of AWACS-lead stealth fighters against single unprotected bomber. I.e. Lybia or Iraq.What's the problem? You don't think either of those aircraft can engage in air to air?
Su-34 mission is a ground work. If bomber is doing his mission without proper fighter cover, then something went horribly wrong long before it can meet any air threat. Same goes for Mig-31 who's targets are big and slow and can't avoid his 300+km range missiles.
Do the words "home-on-jamming" rings a bell in your head? What you said might work against single target without HOJ AA missiles, but against a proper group of adversaries any attempt to jam is just a "kill me faster!" invitation.If I'm jamming you, you still can't see me. Now you know I'm somewhere out there, but you still can't see me.
And what if enemy has AWACS too?
Winter is coming.
By the way...
If this is true, then looks like i was right in this discussion.
a) AESA can be jammed.
b) If airplane-based limited in size and power radar can do it, then ground based radars can do it even easier.
Winter is coming.
coz Mig-25/31 have been using as a frontline fighter in actual combat.Why would supersonic interceptor and a frontline bomber fight with F-22 and F-35?
By those, who have nothing better to use in this role. And btw, Mig-31 have never been used like this.
Winter is coming.
and those who are much more likely to engage in a fight with USAF than Russia in future
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