Avalon 2011

**Chogy** · 17 Mar 11,, 15:01

Radar CS "augmentors" - I don't know the exact answer to how the F-22 hides or otherwise deals with this on a peacetime basis, but I do know that it is possible to engineer small metallic shapes that reflect like crazy... kind of an anti-stealth shape. On the rear end of a plywood gunnery target called a Dart is bolted an aluminum box with two flanges making a diamond shape. This box device is only 30 cm or so across, yet creates a cross section like an entire aircraft, allowing easy radar lock.

It would not be difficult to create such a widget that bolts onto the aircraft and not affect airflow or handling, but this is conjecture.

Of course with those external tanks, reflected energy is high. Not a bad notion to press to the air battle using those tanks, then jettisoning them at an appropriate moment and vanishing.

**andrew** · 17 Mar 11,, 15:16

Originally Posted by Chogy

Radar CS "augmentors" - I don't know the exact answer to how the F-22 hides or otherwise deals with this on a peacetime basis, but I do know that it is possible to engineer small metallic shapes that reflect like crazy... kind of an anti-stealth shape. On the rear end of a plywood gunnery target called a Dart is bolted an aluminum box with two flanges making a diamond shape. This box device is only 30 cm or so across, yet creates a cross section like an entire aircraft, allowing easy radar lock.

It would not be difficult to create such a widget that bolts onto the aircraft and not affect airflow or handling, but this is conjecture.

Of course with those external tanks, reflected energy is high. Not a bad notion to press to the air battle using those tanks, then jettisoning them at an appropriate moment and vanishing.

The lenses themselves are not big but they should be oriented in such a way that the RCS of a plane will be distorted from most angles, especially from a head-on position. That's why that device is torpedo-shaped.

**Stitch** · 17 Mar 11,, 16:48

Originally Posted by Chogy

Of course with those external tanks, reflected energy is high. Not a bad notion to press to the air battle using those tanks, then jettisoning them at an appropriate moment and vanishing.

That's the theory; in the case of the Raptor, the entire pylon with the tank attached is designed to be jettisoned in order to return the airframe to an LO configuration.

**gf0012-aust** · 18 Mar 11,, 06:54

Originally Posted by Stitch

Was the "security guard" with the German Shepherd patrolling the area around the Raptors the whole time?

follow up.

USAF Security Team have stated in RAAF news that this is the first time that non American personnel were permitted insiide the primary security cordon of the F-22. Prev foreign visits anywhere else the USAF Sec team is primary and runs the inner cordon. The USAF force protection commander indicated that this level of trust had not been passed onto anyu other nation prev.

"The USAF had complete confidence in the ability of the RAAF Sec Police to do the job after witnessing first hand the level of control the handlers have of their MWD (mil working dogs) and their professional application as force protectors" A signiifcant number of the force protection pers were reservists whose primary job is State or Fed police.

16 working military working dogs were deployed along with 4 explosive detector dogs

(RAAF News P7 of Avalon pullout.)

**Gun Boat** · 18 Mar 11,, 07:08

Originally Posted by gf0012-aust

follow up.

USAF Security Team have stated in RAAF news that this is the first time that non American personnel were permitted insiide the primary security cordon of the F-22. Prev foreign visits anywhere else the USAF Sec team is primary and runs the inner cordon. The USAF force protection commander indicated that this level of trust had not been passed onto anyu other nation prev.

"The USAF had complete confidence in the ability of the RAAF Sec Police to do the job after witnessing first hand the level of control the handlers have of their MWD (mil working dogs) and their professional application as force protectors" A signiifcant number of the force protection pers were reservists whose primary job is State or Fed police.

16 working military working dogs were deployed along with 4 explosive detector dogs

(RAAF News P7 of Avalon pullout.)

Good lookin pups they are to. Although I did notice that the vehicles they were using to transport the pups were 'Budget Rentals' with cages on the trays. What is the deal there?

**gf0012-aust** · 18 Mar 11,, 11:07

Originally Posted by Gun Boat

Good lookin pups they are to. Although I did notice that the vehicles they were using to transport the pups were 'Budget Rentals' with cages on the trays. What is the deal there?

you sure they weren't ADF/RAAF number plates? white background, blue letters, usually 8 figures and no gaps in the character string....

**Gun Boat** · 19 Mar 11,, 05:49

They were definately Budget Rent a trucks, the sign was on the doors. Talked to a mate who also saw them. His theory was that the Airforce guards and dogs were probably from a base up north and that there was no point bringing their vehicles down. Sound about right?

**gf0012-aust** · 19 Mar 11,, 06:19

Originally Posted by Gun Boat

They were definately Budget Rent a trucks, the sign was on the doors. Talked to a mate who also saw them. His theory was that the Airforce guards and dogs were probably from a base up north and that there was no point bringing their vehicles down. Sound about right?

Dogs came from Tindal, Pearce and Amberley. So yes, under SRP they'd be renting trucks to save money.